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[–] [email protected] 48 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

for the longest time, i did know that game theory did not have anything to do with “games” and that it is somehow connected to the prisoners dilemma, but the concept as such wasn’t very clear to me. If you are like my former me, take 30 minutes out of your day and visit https://ncase.me/trust/ to learn and play around with game theory; it’s a great webpage and it’s pretty good fun all around.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 hours ago

That page is very well done and interesting, thanks for sharing!

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Theoretically, will a collision cause a breach of the radioactive material that's in the box with my cat? Asking for a friend.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The outcome from both levers pulled is so steep that it really makes no sense to pull the lever

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

That's why they won't pull the lever, and that's why you should.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 hours ago

They'll be thinking the same thing tho and if there is a greater than 20% chance of them pulling the lever it'd be worse in terms of losing family members than not pulling at all.

But in terms of overall death, not pulling the lever is 1 or 4, and pulling the lever is 4 or 13

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Do nothing that way you don't get to jail for murder. All the pressure goes to the other guy. Sue the railway company, guy who pulled the lever and the creator. Another is find a way not to reach to that point.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like you're not internalizing that this is a thought experiment.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

This is the dumbest thought experiment I've ever seen.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Also, it's too late to pull the lever, you'll just provoke a crush.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

This isn't philosophy anymore, it's just game theory

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 hours ago

Not even. Game Theory is supposed to take a lot of stuff into account. Boiling it down to this is insulting and a way to paint situations like proxy wars as immoral.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 13 hours ago

it's interdisciplinary.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 13 hours ago

por qué no los dos

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

holy prisoner dilemma!

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 16 hours ago

Unlike the classic prisoners dilemma, this isn't a nash equilibrium. When I know that the other person pulls their switch, I'd improve my outcome by not pulling mine. Compare to the prisoners dilemma, where not snitching when the other side snitches earns you five years in prison.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

wow what an excellent day in the neighbourhood

i sure hope I won't be faced with an ethical dilemma in the very near future

oh rats it's the trolley problem

[–] [email protected] 29 points 17 hours ago

This was super funny, this person has a great career ahead of her. Very Tim and Eric style obscure indie comedy, I loved it.

[–] [email protected] 112 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

If these are tracks in the US then I just understaff the engineers and maintenance teams and the train derails before I have to make a decision, checkmate.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 hours ago

If these tracks are in the US, so I am. So I shoot the other guy with the gun(s) I usually carry around when I go out and then pull the lever.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

This feels too high quality for a shit post.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 18 hours ago

Gotta make sure your fiber intake is decent so you get good quality shit like this

[–] [email protected] 19 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yell to the guy on the other side that I'm going to pull the lever, so he'd better not.

Then let it go because that both maximizes global utility and poses the lowest risk of the worst case scenario.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

"WHAT? I CANT HEAR YOU THE TRAIN IS TOO LOUD!" pulls lever

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Which relative is on the track and which in the trolley?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Your hot cousin is on the track. What would you do?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Don't pull the lever, then there's three thirds of hot cousin to go around regardless of the other person's decision. Philosophy is easy.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

cut the trolley in half, give one half to each of the thirds of the hot cousin

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

To quote something I made up and say all the time, “It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose.”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

I say "you can do this three different ways and still be wrong."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 16 hours ago

nice. with such wisdom you should have been a captain or something.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago

For some people, this is a problem. For others, this is a solution.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 16 hours ago

According to transit and transport regulation, such scenario would be impossible

[–] [email protected] 20 points 20 hours ago

You pull the lever, then pew pew pew the other person near the lever.

Boom.

Did I solve it?

Where's my prize?

Wait a minute, gotta shoot everyone else related too. Don't want to face any revenge.

Automatic Weaponry goes brrrr

No witnesses

Okay I saved 1 of my loved ones.

Bingo?

Now theres only one color of people.

Wait am I a racist?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago

Jokes on you, No loved ones, so who cares if you pull the lever or not, go have a frothy instead.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Sounds like your typical game theory problem.

Not pulling the lever: Worst case: Your loved ones dies Best case: None

Pulling the lever: Worst case: Your loved ones dies Best case: Your loved ones survives

[–] [email protected] 17 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

Worst case for pulling the lever is 5 loved ones die and so do 8 strangers.

Its stated that when not pulling the lever the loved ones on the cart to survive (with ptsd).

Highest risk/best reward vs No risk/minimal loss.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (3 children)

The last line of these is always what the poster wants to happen

everything else is skewed rationale to make you think it is a funny

it is, in reality, anti-intellectual propaganda

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yell to the other lever dude that I'm not pulling the lever but fuck those beige dudes, hope they can't tell i'm lying, run and lay down with the beige dudes, and if I'm lucky they pull their lever too and we get maximum carnage. If lever dude suspects I'm lying and insane, and thus doesn't pull their lever, at least I won't have to answer my loved ones' questions.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 20 hours ago

Which loved one are we talking about here? Some are more loved than others.

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