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Modern cars are surveillance devices on wheels with major privacy risks – new report
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Sell me a dumb car.
this post was submitted on 19 Nov 2024
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yep. I just with some car company would choose not to do this and advertise the fuck out of it. (looking at you Chrysler you have nothing to lose)
They still have the Pacifica....
uhm, the pacifica doesn't fit this description (source, worked at FCA on this kind of stuff and we put it in the pacifica).
The Dodge Grand Carvan, which was basically unchanged from '08-'19 on the otherhand...
Sorry, I meant that in response to "they have nothing to lose". They still have one vehicle line, but it was slightly facetious because I don't think they have much if anything else.
New report Mozilla said this a year ago I think. Released a privacy report on all car manufactures.
A lot of you probably already know about this one but here's Mozillas privacy not included blog where they review smart devices/services based on how much data they collect about you. A lot of car manufacturers at the very top of the most creepy ones.
It's also why repair costs an arm and a leg.
It used to be a bumper was just filled with foam, so getting in a fender bender was a pretty cheap fix.
Now a bumper has upwards of $5000 in technology and sensors sitting in it, and a fender bender can often make the car considered "totaled" because the cost to repair is now more than the total resale value of the car.
Get a bike, ride a bus, fuck surveillance capitalism.
Best part is it's $5000 because they get to name their price. These sensors, headlights, etc, cost nowhere near that, but where else are you gonna go get em?
So in a few years when your new car has depreciated to somewhere around 10k and you get a massive repair bill? Well most people are scrapping it and getting another car, convenient for them....
Opting out still seems like they're pinkie promising they won't spy on you. There's no guarantee they're not using all those sensors on your car to keep tabs on you. The only thing they can't do is sell your data without getting caught. Are there any guides to install a faraday cage on the telemetry antenna? I miss having dumb cheap vehicles.
I think the best course of action is to find an cut the antenna or it's trace on the board (and verify). Sounds a lot easier than it is though.
edit: or also pull the modem fuse, if it has one
I just pulled the fuse for my vehicles modem once Mozilla released their report earlier this year or last year.
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Mozilla Foundation did a deep dive into this. And the results where abysmal. The only brands not completely horrifying where Renault/Dacia because they are European and only serve the European market so they have to follow GDPR.
I am less interested in ranking them based on what they do (because we can assume they just vacuum up everything anyway), and more in a ranking based on how easy the surveillance is to remove. Apparently for some cars the telematics module can be easily unplugged at least, losing you some non-critical functionality, but on others it may be integrated tighter.
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A few years ago, when I cared little about my privacy, I would fancy buying a new car. Thanks to privacy concerns, I became proud to have my old car, which also happens to be highly repairable.
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I once had a conversation with AI to see what the fastest form of local transportation is, that didn't absolutely require paying any kind of insurance, like cars do. I did not expect the response at all: the AI told me horseback riding. The thing is, it's completely right, but it's something no human would ever have given as a response. Anyways, if anyone has a horse you don't want...
An eBike would be faster, and way easier to maintain and store. They don't require insurance.
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That's why I'll take bus, train, rideshare, carshare, plane with all the cameras and tracking over buying a new personal vehicle. Modern cars can build a personal digital profile of you, they know where you travel, they track your plate, and we found out they track your driving behaviour to screw with your insurance rates.
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This is why when I get my driver's license, I'll buy a car from 2012 that has no Internet. Probably old Skoda Octavia.
9th Gen Civic
1.8 or 2.4L, no turbo, tons of manual transmissions out there, cheap to fix, easy to find and source with tons of motors still in crates brand new.
Skodas, VWs, and other French and Spanish are more common than Hondas in country where I live.
Ah, I figured they were as common here as anywhere else they were, but now that I remember it, Honda makes their American cars in Ohio, they aren't imports.
Yeah I have a 2012 vehicle, doesn't even have built in Bluetooth. I love it.
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First thing I did when buying my '21 Toyota was remove the fuse giving power to the cellular modem. Is it still recording my data? Of course, but that's only a worry if I go to their dealership for service. If I ever need to actually do that (recalls for example) I'll remove the DCM module from the vehicle before bringing it in. There's a very good local shop near me that I'll bring it to for normal maintenance before letting Toyota plug in to the car and download my data.
Some vehicles this may not be possible, so if this concerns you, check forums about your vehicle if it is a moving spy machine before trying this because you might end up causing the vehicle to be put in limp mode because of some BS design choices.
I am consistently disappointed to see the top posts say to not buy a car whenever news like this comes out.
Your post at least provides an alternative.
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