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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Poor one out for all your LGBTQ+ homies in America, they're about to be hunted for sport.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Maybe you could say this if the election was close. But the Gaza-Isreal voters are a drop in the bucket.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

If the left is divisible by memes its no wonder they lost to the right.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I am so sick about the Gaza rhetoric and that’s why we lost. Bitch less then 10% of voters give a shit about Gaza. 40% of voters have major concerns about the economy. The next highest concern was immigration at 20%. Foreign policy was a measly 8% of concern for voters.

This goes for people blaming Jill Stein voters. Kamala got wrecked in this election. Even if you add all 3rd party votes to her she still loses.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hey, chasing republican votes didn't work this time, but I'm sure it will next time. Definitely don't try appealing to the left.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 14 hours ago

As long as progressives (and correspondingly, everybody) gets nothing, we're good 👍👍🤘✊

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you think we'll get primaries back? And not the fake ones we're use to.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No way, the rabble might ask for someone that doesn't allow Nancy Pelosi to openly do insider trading.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Then the rabble wont show up for elections. No better way to drain the energy out of a voter base then to make their voices feel unheard.

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[–] [email protected] 147 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (93 children)

It really isn't leftists' fault, though. Trump easily won the popular vote and flipped georgia, pennsylvania, and wisconsin from their dem vote in 2020. Low voter turnout/voter suppression are the real culprits - along with dems failing to do almost any of the things that could've changed this outcome. Leftist memes did not lose dems the election. Voter apathy and the sheer popularity of fascism did.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

There's a million reasons people have given me for voting Trump, none of them rational. But the classic tropes of fear and disgust won out again. I'm old enough to remember the 2004 election, then it was gay people. Now it's trans people and dark-skinned migrants. I really didn't think those old tropes would work this time, but it just keeps working. Americans will just keep falling for it, apparently.

While it's depressing that we're reminded of the power of dumb at hateful people yet again, we should remember that nothing actually changed in that regard this election. We're just discovering what's always been there beneath the surface. I don't think the malaise we're feeling now is so much about what Trump will do - sure scores of people will die from bad policy, but that's nothing new. Rather, we're upset about what this reveals about ourselves. But we shouldn't be upset about the act of revelation, because it tells us what we need to fix.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Leftist memes did not lose dems the election. Voter apathy and the sheer popularity of fascism did.

I'm not necessarily attributing blame here, but I'm pretty sure that OP is suggesting that leftist memes helped lead to this apathy. Say what you will, Trump voters were excited for their candidate... somehow, despite the list of reasons not to being far too long to be listed here. But many on the left either were just lukewarm on her, just considered her the lesser of two evils, or were protest voting third party or abstaining for one reason or another, mostly over Palestine. And there were memes galore to make clear to everyone what the general mood was. It doesn't exactly inspire enthusiasm to those that need that a lot of enthusiasm to even bother (those people are frustrating, btw). I don't know how much it actually contributed to or propogated the apathy versus how much it just reflected the apathy already there, but a case could be made either way.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

They didn't lead to the apathy - they pointed out the existing apathy would cost Dems the election. It's like saying the person who said you need to wear a seatbelt caused the wreck.

You're exactly right about people being excited for Trump and lukewarm on Harris, but that's entirely on the Democrats for picking the platform and strategy that lost to Trump in 2016.

Harris had a notable and surprising lead when they announced Biden was out - then they changed nothing else. People didn't just not like the candidate, they didn't like the policies. They only changed the candidate and thought Trump was a big enough cudgel to bully people into voting even though that demonstrably doesn't work.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Look at Michigan. Nobody was going to ignore Gaza into a victory. The memes and posts were warnings, not divisions. When it became clear she wanted to take a path close to Biden most of us even laid off because it was clear it was more harmful to keep going.

But it turns out that asking the relatives of genocide victims to vote for someone who won't commit to stopping it is not a good campaign strategy. The divide in Michigan is well within the 140,000 strong registered voters in the Arab community.

Take your fucking L like an adult.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Ok, but like at the end of the day, Michigan didn't fucking matter... it was over the minute Trump won PA . Besides that, look at the demographics and how they voted. Young people, those most likely to care about the Gazan genocide, split the vote by gender for Trump and Kamala. Specifically young white and Latino men overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Is that supposed to indicate that caring about the genocide in Gaza, something Trump has repeatedly talked about amping up, is something that the vast majority of the voting populace cared about? No. Kamala got 14 million less votes than Biden did in 2020, and I'm tired of this same gaza, black woman, etc spiel. It can't be chalked up to these things alone. The democrats ran an appointed candidate that never would have won a primary on her own, and got the consequences of that.

The blame is not on Biden, nor is it on Harris for not caring about Gaza. The blame lies squarely on democratic party for not figuring out a plan sooner, and the 14 million voters that appeared 4 years ago when it was trendy, but not now when the threat is most grim. Not to mention the fact that not voting for Kamala when her opponent has not only stated that he will allow Israel to continue, but will actually ramp up their genocide is just fucking stupidity, no two ways about it. Just as we tell Trump voters not to vote with their feelings and to listen to rational arguments, we must tell left-leaning voters the same.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Gaza was also a big issue for Gen Z, and blaming the voters for not liking you has never ever made them vote for you.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Gaza was also a big issue for Gen Z

It was a convenient excuse for their apathy.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Did you even read my comment? Gen z split along gender lines, especially the Latino and white vote, as seen above. It was a big issue for gen z, but clearly, given the demographics of voters and exit poll answers, Gaza had very little to do with the outcome of this election. Please go fucking read about what happened in the election before making more arguments in which you have no idea what you're talking about. Like, fuck, just read about it before commenting.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

There's 13 million votes missing and you don't think there's any chance of a significant group of Gen Z men being in that group? Gen Z men went for Trump by 2 percentage points. You don't think there's 2 percentage points of Gen Z men who decided not to vote because of the biggest issue polled among gen Z men?

And if Gaza and Michigan wasn't a big deal then why are you even here? The entire discussion in this thread is about Gaza posters. Michigan going red is a pretty big fucking deal. It's what pushes this from a tip over to a solid win for Trump. Even if Harris got PA, she wouldn't have won and what percentage of Democrats stayed home in PA because she ran a neoliberal campaign?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Gaza was not the biggest issue among gen z voters and while there is a chance that young men didn't vote for Kamala because of that, it's much more likely it was general disdain for the democratic candidate. 14 million voters can't be explained by gen z in any way shape or form anyway, considering the number of gen z voters that did show up. Why am I here? Because it's fun to use lemmy and have discussions about politics.

Michigan going red is not a big deal. This is an almost exact repeat of trumps 2016 electoral victory yet you're acting like he's treading new ground entirely lmfao. Yes, even if Harris got PA she wouldn't have won, but after PA was lost, literally nothing else mattered. There was exactly zero chance she won without PA whereas she actually had a path to victory without Michigan. I personally live in PA and I can tell you that I know exactly zero democrats that didn't vote because of Gaza. Fun fact about that too: I was literally going door to door doing political canvassing, and what I can tell you, overwhelmingly, is that anybody whose top issue was Gaza was easily convinced that Harris is the better choice, whereas tons of men my age (older gen z) were intending to vote Trump because of the economy and inflation, and though he is completely indefensible economically, these were the significantly harder group to convince. If you want to go bring me some numbers as to why you're right feel free, but so far ALL anecdotal and empirical evidence that I've seen shows Gaza not to have been a big issue this election.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

asking the relatives of genocide victims to vote for someone

There are 160,000 Palestinian-Americans. Most of them originate in the West Bank (especially Ramallah) and Jerusalem. Almost none of them are in Michigan. Michigan's Arab-Americans are mostly Lebanese-descended.

People with family ties to Gaza were a vanishingly small percentage of the electorate. They're vastly outnumbered by the people who were suckered by the "Dems = Genocide" concern-trolling.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

L like

Pronounced "yike" as in Spanish. This is called eliding.

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