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More than 100 Arizona Palestinian, Arab, Muslim, and progressive Democrats and community leaders have signed a letter making the case for those reluctant to support Kamala Harris against Donald Trump.

“We know that many in our communities are resistant to vote for Kamala Harris because of the Biden administration’s complicity in the genocide,” the letter, published Thursday night, reads.

“Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon. We respect those who feel they simply can’t vote for a member of the administration that sent the bombs that may have killed their loved ones,” the letter continued. “As we consider the full situation carefully, however, we conclude that voting for Kamala Harris is the best option for the Palestinian cause and all of our communities.”

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[–] [email protected] 225 points 1 month ago (21 children)

It is important to note that foreign nations like Iran, Russia and China are using this topic to convince voters to allow facism to win the election in the US. This doesn’t mean that Israel shouldn’t be held accountable for their actions. But history shows how foreign actors use these topics to manipulate us.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think it is important to note that a surprisingly large number of voters say they like fascism without any need to rationalise that as foreign meddling. Being told that you are good because you are ingroup and they are bad because they are outgroup is an enduringly popular message with a large minority of people.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Looks like teaching history was important after all...

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (128 children)

Yeah, it sucks but everyone just needs to hold their nose and do what will have the best outcome. Sadly, if Trump is elected, this will probably not be an issue in the future. Yeah, Harris needs to do more and the democrats need to be pressured into doing what's right, but the only way that matters is if they're in power. If Republicans have control, nothing you say regarding Palestine will matter.

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[–] [email protected] 155 points 1 month ago (12 children)

Do Muslim’s really think voting for Muslim ban guy who would give Israel even more weapons a better choice?

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 month ago (3 children)

No but Russian troll farm employees sure want us to believe it.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

Many just want to stay home, but in contested districts their absence may mean something.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

A poll released Monday conducted by Arab News/YouGov found that Trump led Harris 45 percent to 43 percent among Arab Americans. Those voters said that they viewed Trump as more supportive of Israel’s current government, but that he was more likely to end the conflict.

In 2020, FL Hispanics were bombarded with ads saying that Biden would give away Florida to Castro as part of his love for communism or deport them all to Cuba. Trump won FL by a large margin, mostly because Miami area was not as blue as in the past. 60% of FL voters still voted for $15 minimum wage.

In 2020, also, heavily hispanic southern counties of TX went pro Trump on ads that there would be a lot of work in the counties from building walls.

AIPAC lobby has spent record amounts on primaries for democrats this year where the incumbent supported a ceasefire. The only ones AIPAC won were ones where they did not mention Israel at all. Other Republican PACs are blanketing Arab zip codes with how pro Israel Harris is, and Jewish zip codes with how she is a muslim plant.

While Trump very proudly has RFK boast of his desire to end the most stupid war the US has ever conducted, Trump is favoured by Netanyahu, including reported daily strategy calls on how to sabotage Biden's fake constraints policies. He is more likely to believe any benefits Netanyahu tells him of a full war on Iran/Lebanon/Syria over any prudence.

Trump's main claim for 2020 election "rigging" is that a Hunter Biden laptop existed, without anything implicating President on it. But republican rigging of misinformation, and vote suppression, just wasn't enough even though that nothing story was still all over the news.

There are serious problems with US electoral system, and it is orders of magnitude worse every cycle.

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[–] [email protected] 133 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That is fucking brutal.

I agree but man what a horrible choice.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

yeah its a truly dystopian choice but voting for somebody doesn't mean you approve of everything they have done or will do.

It just means for those with affected friends and families they have done the cruel calculus and have decided which path will be lesser of two evils.

I fully expect trump to try to deport palestinian refugees and its crazy this is where we are at.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It is no choice between someone who disappoints me in their responses on this issue, and someone who openly wonders if sending a nuclear warhead into a hurricane a couple hundred miles offshore will lead to a positive result. And of course that was with where his mental state was at over 4 years ago.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago

I mean, he's promised to deport Americans who protest on behalf of the Palestinians. He sure wouldn't hesitate to deport Palestinian refugees.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Every election in the US is that way. It's a choice of the lesser evil and you can only vote against the greater evil not vote for good.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wow, this milkshake brings all the .ml to the yard.l

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And they're like, don't vote so hard.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Damn right, both sides are equard!

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 month ago (12 children)
[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Comment removed.
Reason: Rule 1 (western propaganda)

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 month ago (31 children)

Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon.

Watch the "a vote for Kamala is a vote for genocide" crowd claim these Palestinian and Lebanese Americans support genocide in Palestine and Lebanon.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I love you but let’s let the bad faith people speak for themselves.

Those shitty trolls pretending to be tankies don’t need your help.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Good, I hope it does some good. Any other vote is a vote for Trump, intended or not, and Trump won't just ignore the genocide. His track record makes it abundantly clear that he'll absolutely make it worse.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 month ago (31 children)

Man, I hope this changes some minds, but it might be too little too late. She's had a lot of opportunities to turn things around with the Arab community, and she's flat out ignored all of them. I'm really worried this will be her version of Hillary's, "I don't need to campaign in the Rust Belt," decision.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (12 children)

It's a major complication / fault with running a candidate who is in office already. They cannot deviate from the official position, tone, language, admission of guilt, etc.

I'm not saying I have secret info and Harris would 180 on Israel if she won, just saying she can't even build breathing room from Biden while being the sitting vp.

This is not an excuse for the administration's stance, just a reflection on the challenges of running while in office.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (20 children)

Not that I'm not glad, but this kind of endorsement needs time to permeate, and could've shut up a large chunk of disingenuous contrarians a MONTH ago.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (10 children)

How is her getting this endorsement over Trump stunning? It's a no-fucking-shit development

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Because somehow there are Muslims and Arab-Americans who have convinced themselves that voting for the guy who instituted the "Muslim Ban" and called their countries "shitholes" is better than voting for Harris.

There is a reason why Netanyahu and his war cabinet haven't listened to people (including in Biden's administration) pushing a cease fire. It's because Netanyahu knows that if Trump wins, he will have permission to "finish what he started" in Gaza. Then Trump and Kushner will build golf courses there with Saudi money.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Because for people who lost loved ones in Gaza thanks to American aid and weapons, with her agreement and approval, it’s a painful thing for them to give.

And a clear indication of how terrifying the prospect is, for them, of what Trump might do to their loved ones, if he gets in.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 weeks ago (18 children)

Brutal. You have to support the one who kills half of your children because the other one will kill all of them.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (17 children)

I wish these .ml clowns would hold their impotent revolution stirring for ONE critical election. Once trump is gone and MAGA gets told they are unacceptable by a massive blue tsunami, then trump is completely into dementia before he gets another chance to lose, then you can go be a hero and fight against our interests at home in favor of....still doing genocide....or whatever ignorant magical change you think is going to happen instead.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

If they're having their revolution by voting in an election they need to brush up on what a revolution is.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

We live in the most depressing timeline. Please vote for genociders. They won't stop the genocide. But they also won't turn America overnight into a dictatorship. It's the best of 2 profoundly horrifying and depressing options. Another decade of international American war crimes awaits either way. But at the least, the status quo for Americans is better than fascism.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

With a nation as powerful as the US, it's never going to be one issue, and the options are rarely going to be simply good things versus simply bad things - at least until we have a form of democracy that is more representative and we do a lot of work on a, let's just admit it, undereducated, overly propagandized, and far too distracted electorate.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

Tankies: "B-but now we can't swing the election to Trump with our constant whining and unrealistic demands!"

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