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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Much more of these cursed alliances will happen in future unless the left and/or socially progressive forces in the west develop a coherent anti imperialist stance. As in anti NATO, anti IMF, anti World Bank. Traditional left wing positions based on global historical materialism.

Until that happens, the right wing and/or social conservatives, like the AfD here, will steal their lunch from them and form these kind of alliances. The primary contradiction globally is the disparity of living standards and wealth between the west/imperial core/triad, and the third world/global south, orchestrated by modern day imperialism and neocolonialism. Countries in the global south are prepared to work with anyone willing to end that, or at least show some support for ending it.

In short, the left in the west needs to get it's stuff together, actually practice internationalism, and actually practice anti imperialism instead of selling out to the biggest institutions of modern day imperialism on the planet, such as NATO. If the left does not do this, alliances like this will continue to happen as the right occupies, or pretends to occupy, a space the left should be occupying.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (35 children)

It’s already a hexbear fest in here. There is zero point posting anything about China or Russia - every comment is trounced on by hexbears.

Yes yes, if I didn’t want your opinion I should have stayed on Reddit.

Yes, yes, you got here first.

Yes, yes, I’m a brainwashed liberal.

Yes, yes, you’re actually one of the oldest Lemmy communities but you’ve only recently started federating.

Yes, yes, you’re seeing the light and can see through the western media’s bias and the rest of us are just mindless sheep.

Yes, yes, China is great, Russia is fantastic, Ukraine should pursue for peace and roll over.

Yes, yes, you never allowed downvoting so you’re used to just comment and that’s why there’s so many hexbears in here. And you’re definitely not Russian or CCP farmed trolls.

Yes, yes, all those things are true.

I’m sure I’m missing a few, but I’m pretty close to a hexbear “Bingo!” I think.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

If you didn’t want to be ridiculed for your insane opinions, you shouldn’t haven’t federated with the real world.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm loving this, AfD has been collaborating with the far-right party in our country, which accuses everyone else of being filthy commies, it would be a beautiful irony (in the unlikely event this were to be true) if they started talking up the CPC because russia can't fund them anymore hahahaha

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (27 children)

They share a common enemy, democracy.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Meh, our democracy isn't even that threatening to China (Taiwan's is, it showcases a viable alternative to the CPC), they just had to leave us to our "contradictions", they'd keep booming and we'd just keep buying their stuff while we eat each other alive, if China is doing this, they gotta be really desperate to turn Europe fascist again.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

(Taiwan's is, it showcases a viable alternative to the CPC)

Throwing chairs at each other in the Legislative Yuan over who gets to be America's most loyal running dog isn't seen by anyone thing China as a viable alternative to governance.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

It's ok, Hu Jintao really didn't mind being dragged off the stage like an idiot in a country where face is everything. China does settle fistfights in private, which does set a good example for the populace, ngl.

PS: https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%9D%A2%E5%AD%90:

面子是人際關係中的一种现象,在東方等级观念较强的社会(如中國等)特別受到重視。具体定义不明,基本上意味给社会中每个人的尊重[1][2]。如果不给人面子,即是拆穿別人的面具,可能会引起报复。如果有面子,一般会被认为是社会地位较高,更受人尊敬,然而面子不够大,可能是因为在社会、经济等方面地位低下。“面子”是“社会脸面”,代表着个人在人生历程中由成就和夸耀所获得的名声以及被社会重视的声誉[3]。「厚顏」俗稱「不要臉」。

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is everything world news on lemmy about China? Like I've seen everything from crap articles saying China has a declining population like its a bad thing, or how the west looks like shit compared.

Like, it's nothing racist or offensive. Not to me at least. Just lots and lots of it being the primary topic in ways that I'm ain't too familiar with.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

China is very active player and driving up events, especially as they may be working with nazi wannabes in the German government

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tankies: China is a world power!! It drives so many world events!!
Tankies: Nooo how dare China get in the press (good, bad, and neutral).

They feel like any China coverage is inherently imperialist, even when its "China breaks fusion record", that is meddling in China's internal affairs to them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For real. The tankie problem here is crazy. I can say something like China is trying to deny freedom of navigation of international waters on the South China Sea and somehow it becomes "BuT aMeRiCa". I don't get it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

LOL, I just don't even know what to say here. You do realize that when the Europeans subjugated China it was, in part, through naval superiority? Specifically, China did not have a blue ocean navy. China didn't emerge from that subjugation until 1949, and then didn't actually manage to do much more than stabilize it's society in the subsequent years. FFS, Hong Kong was only returned to China from British domination and occupation in the late 1990s.

China's navy was developed under these conditions, after WW2, after the US nuked 2 civilian cities in the Pacific, after the US became the world super power, after the end of the USSR. China is the one who has been denied freedom of navigation in the South China Sea. When China pushes against the psychotic imperialist West and it's proxies, that is not China denying freedom of navigation anymore than slaves revolting against their owners is the slaves denying their owners peace and prosperity.

The entire concept of freedom of navigation is a relational one. Raising points about China while ignoring the relationship with the world super power who, under Obama, decided to move 60% of its military assets to the Pacific Theater, is just anemic thinking.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey look. A tankie that has no idea what the fuck they are talking about. I am shocked. Territorial waters are defined as 12 nautical miles typically from the shore. These are defined by the United Nations that China is a part of and agreed to. There is a reason why China is literally building fake islands to increase it's territorial water claim there.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Territorial waters are defined as 12 nautical miles typically from the shore

BY WHOM IS IT DEFINED? You don't need to answer the question here. We all know the answer. It's the "rules-based international order", you know, the one invented by white genociders that dominated and subjugated 80% of the world population. But do go on about how the definition of territorial waters is perfectly compatible with the US encircling China with nuclear capabilities, occupying much of the region, colonizing and subjugating various indigenous peoples on various islands so they can test weapons and prepare for war. It's CHINA that's being a problem.

There is a reason why China is literally building fake islands to increase it’s territorial water claim there.

Awww, what's the matter? Are you upset when the fake rules that whitey made to dominate the globe are sometimes used by non-whites to game the system in small ways that show everyone just how vacuous and bankrupt the West really is?

How about you focus on things like why China is even the UN at all, how the US refused to let the PRC into the UN and instead decided that the KMT should be at the UN despite the KMT prosecuting the White Terror and mass murdering people by the thousands for so much as suggesting that maybe they should end the civil war officially and integrate with China now that the PLA had demonstrated they had the overwhelming majority of popular support.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I like that in all of your rambling, despite directly quoting me, you carefully evaded explaining why China would want to build fake islands and expand it's territorial waters.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’ve been seeing this a lot from instances like hexbear and lemmygrad and my take is either cult members, paid trolls, brainwashed persons prone to pavlovian responses, or all of the above.

I just wish that as a user I could block instances.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This isn't unique to the far-left, though. It's a problem throughout the entire political spectrum.

It's rather dangerous to be creating echo chambers in a democracy, though. Democracy lives off of discourse between opposing views.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

I would not call them far left tbh. There’s something else about them that irks me. It honestly feels more North Korean to me and that ain’t left by any stretch of the imagination. It seems to be more authoritarian minded.

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