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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago (35 children)

No, the blame lies squarely on the DNC for deliberately ignoring the loud and clear message from third party voters that genocide is a red line in the sand. The blame further lies with the liberals supporting a decaying Empire and never lifting a finger to help anyone, just showing up at the ballot box every 4 years while the US commits manmade horrors beyond comprehension.

Join an org, like the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) or Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO), this mess can't be undone by supporting the Dems harder.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is why the American system is weird af.

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[–] [email protected] 110 points 4 days ago (30 children)

This is the most horrible way to convince people to vote with you. I, personally, would tell you to go fuck yourself if I weren't already voting for Harris. Please stop that. You need to convince people why they should vote for your candidate by showing them the difference, not this "or else" bullshit. and if they are not convinced, you let it go. People are free with their damn votes.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Smug liberals will be condescending regardless of who wins any election.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

I get this, but playing it safe is going nowhere. Trump was elected not because he was a decent candidate, but because he was a gamble that paid off in spades.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago (4 children)

If you have a problem with this line of reasoning then your actual problem is first past the post voting.

Abolish first past the post voting and you can finally actually vote for things you like, rather than against things you hate, but we're stuck in first past the post voting, so, you must vote strategically.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Just curious, do you really expect Republicans or democrats to support legislation to end their stranglehold on American politics?

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (13 children)

"In 2023, 74 bills were introduced supporting ranked-choice voting and 57 of these bills had only Democrat sponsors. In fact, just eight percent of the total bills received bipartisan support."

No, but there's one party that has shown support for it and one party that has attempted to outright ban it.

It's an easy choice.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)

voting third party is bad? first past the post problem

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (19 children)

This is exactly why we need ranked choice voting.

Winner takes all essentially demoralizes and alienates voters and drives people who agree with each other to fight because they're trapped in a broken system.

So instead of fighting the system, it's easier to just blame other people and alienate more of them against your cause, shooting yourself in the foot with ignorance. It's kind of disgusting.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you're voting for the lesser evil, you are still voting to reduce harm.

Remember that. You can't save everyone, but if you save NO ONE that's on you.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (69 children)

Abstaining or voting 3rd party to "make Dems listen" doesn't work. If anyone thinks they can play Mexican Standoff, you can't because the Dems have an out: the center voter. Every time they lose, they go to the center to find voters.

And remember they need all 3 of presidency, house of representatives, and senate to pass pretty much anything. If they don't have all 3 they will go to the center to find voters. Some people call this rachet effect, but really they're looking for voters. Want them to stop 'racheting'? Then give them consistent and overwhelming victories.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 4 days ago (51 children)

Not an American, but yikes does this have "Vote with us... Or else!" vibes.

That's not to say I support Trump, but I personally don't think this is the way to convince fence-sitters at all.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (18 children)

The harsh reality is that leftists, in their outrage over Gaza, are being manipulated to serve the very forces they claim to oppose. Netanyahu, with the same calculated cynicism as Putin, is using this moment of crisis to bolster his own political survival by helping Trump’s re-election bid. AIPAC, already firmly in the Republican camp, is actively working to secure Trump’s victory, just like the leftists—though they may wear different masks. At the core, both groups are contributing to the same outcome: Trump back in power, where Netanyahu and his far-right allies can continue their genocidal wars unchecked.

Leftists may express moral indignation and feel superior in their righteous anger, but at the end of the day, they are playing right into the hands of Netanyahu, Trump, and Putin. They are weakening Kamala Harris, who has a precarious balancing act between Jewish and Arab-American voters, and ensuring that Trump and his cronies can capitalize on this division. Despite their different emotional reactions along the way, both AIPAC and the leftist protesters are on the same side when it comes to the pragmatic analysis: they’re both paving the way for Trump’s return to power. And that’s all the Republicans, Netanyahu, and Putin truly care about—using anyone, even their critics, to achieve their goals.

It’s deeply ironic that a group that prides itself on its materialist analysis can’t seem to distinguish between what they think they’re fighting for and what they’re actually enabling. They claim to oppose imperialism and oppression, yet their actions are directly aligning with the interests of Netanyahu, Trump, and their right-wing allies. For all their talk of understanding power dynamics, they’re blind to the fact that they’re advancing the very agenda they claim to detest.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago (36 children)

I am a libertarian minarchist. Look it up before you form ideas.

I don't like Harris but I'd much rather have her over Trump. And that's how I'll vote.

I strongly recommend everyone should research your local elections and vote for candidates that best represent your views and mindsets on a local level. The FPtP system makes third parties mostly unviable in influencing national policy.

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