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[–] [email protected] 50 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Makes me wonder if anyone out there is maintaining a list of (I can’t believe I’m about to say this) privacy-respecting cars

[–] [email protected] 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

I honestly do not understand their rating system. Every one of them looks to have exactly the same rating (Mozilla says 👎, People voted super creepy), but then they have a sort by least or most creepy. What gives?

Edit: nevermind looks like there are some that are “very creepy”. This rating system is kind of obtuse.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago

Because they are all creepy, and not one of those companies give a damn about privacy or security...and why should they? Companies can't get in trouble for anything ever...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

I love the idea but hate how Mozilla did this

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

yeah the rating system is poorly executed. the articles on the other hand are quite a good read.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

Mozilla’s “least to most creepy” ranking is the best resource I’ve found so far:

https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/categories/cars/

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I would think most cars before 2010 should be okay. Infotainment was pretty rudimentary at that point

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Infotainment? Do you mean adverdataharvestment?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah, that's pretty accurate

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I prefer my car just be a car! I am definitely getting old.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

No, you aren't. You just haven't been conditioned your whole life to accept 100% surveillance.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago

When I went to trade school in 2010 for automotive repair our instructors told us this was going to happen. At the time, I thought they were just grumpy old men who didn't like that cars were becoming more and more electronic. How wrong I was

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

I want to thank the Automakers for giving me more reasons to ride a bike! 🤗 🤗

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

Typical Washington bluster for optics. Auto manufacturers and their unions contribute too much money to politicians, nothing will be done.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Are there any modern cars without this problem? It makes sense that they steal data considering how many have wifi and bluetooth

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I guess only the ones without Internet connection

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


And like many technologically engaged Ars Technica readers, he does not like what he sees in terms of automakers' approach to data privacy.

On Friday, Sen. Markey wrote to 14 car companies with a variety of questions about data privacy policies, urging them to do better.

The problems were widespread—most automakers collect too much personal data and are too eager to sell or share it with third parties, the foundation found.

Markey noted the Mozilla Foundation report in his letters, which were sent to BMW, Ford, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, Stellantis, Subaru, Tesla, Toyota, and Volkswagen.

The senator is concerned about the large amounts of data that modern cars can collect, including the troubling potential to use biometric data (like the rate a driver blinks and breathes, as well as their pulse) to infer mood or mental health.

"Although certain data collection and sharing practices may have real benefits, consumers should not be subject to a massive data collection apparatus, with any disclosures hidden in pages-long privacy policies filled with legalese.


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