Instead of having an opinion on a subject I know zero about I'll leave it to the ppl who know about the pros and cons of Trans athletes. If you don't know anything about it you should shut the fuck up and listen to those that do. The negative of the internet is giving merit to ppl who know fuck all about what they're taking about
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What do you need to know? It's a high school team, not the Olympics. Why wouldn't the default always be inclusion? High school is a tough time for a lot of kids, and I'd imagine it's more difficult for most trans kids. If participating in sports makes it 5% easier, then so be it.
In theory, I agree, but the reality is not that simple. There aren't enough resources for everyone to play on every team, so there is selection, and tons of kids in high school pin their future hopes on doing well in sports. It's ridiculous, and I hate the fact that school sports are so competitive as a result, but that's the world we live in. Nobody is allowed to just play for fun. So as long as someone thinks their kid might be excluded or overshadowed because some other kid is "cheating", there will continue to be conflict. It's another aspect of the zero sum mentality.
While I guess areas may be different, the high school I went to, and also the area I now live in, have varsity and JV teams. You had to be good enough to make varsity, but no one got cut from JV. Just belonging on a team is enough for some kids to make it all bearable. Everyone mentions scholarships, but how often is this honestly actually an issue?
Not just how often is scholarship but how many trans kids are even gonna apply to teams for this to be a problem. Judging by how much some people bitch and moan it almost seems like every single team in the world is getting overrun as we speak by trans athletes. Also why the fuck is the 'party of small government' getting involved by passing laws about this, leave it to the fucking commission of each sport once it reaches that level where it matters, they can put it to a vote and handle it or whatever the fuck they wanna do.
For perspective, one of the states in the southwest (I think New Mexico) tried to pass a similar ban and it got overruled by a judge because it was found that it would affect a total of 4 girls in the entire state, and the judge felt that that violated the federal law that says that you can't make a law that targets specific people (ie you can't make it illegal for Mike and Jerry specifically to join the basketball team).
Good for that judge.
Your experience is very different to mine. I went to high school in the 90s. Even back then, both JV and varsity were cut teams for most sports. Some sports were popular enough that they had no-cut teams for underclass kids. But that cost money for extra coaches, equipment, gym time, travel, etc... I was able to play basketball on the freshman and sophomore teams, but I was never good enough to make JV, let alone varsity. Now my kids are in high school and it is even more competitive, because the schools in our area have more students and less money per student for sports. My son tried out for freshman basketball. There were 60 kids trying out for 10 spots. He didn't make the cut. Only kids who had already been playing on district select teams for years did.
I want to be clear: I don't think it's fair to ban trans kids from playing sports on any team. But I also don't think we can expect people to just get over it. In their minds, at least, there's too much at stake.
Yeah but think of all the bigots that will have aneurysm because of this. Literally killing people by allowing the girls to play.
That calzone looks amazing. Is that a spot in Concord? Although a few hints in the pic towards Europe.
So what is a transgender girl? Born with dude fuck tools but born with dudette feel tools? Was the slim Jim wrestler competing in women sports south park episodes an actual possibility? I don't have kids and any nieces, nephews, 2nd cousins or friends kids I'm close enough to care about this shit for isn't old enough to be on the conversational radar of the parents yet.
Edit: To add further context to avoid pissing anyone off for being dumb, I live in the rural US so limited exposure to all the varieties of peeps. No social media. Don't watch any TV that isn't a child's cartoon with niece or family guy type cartoon so for me its cartoon or die. I'm all for learning about new shit. The problem is there is so much new shit to learn I don't always have time to learn about all shit until it has some relevance to something I encountered.
So before I explain, it's important to keep in mind that for these discussions I'm adhering to the separation of "gender" and "sex" as different terms. Your sex is your physical attributes, and your gender is a mental thing-- do you see yourself as a boy or a girl (or, as some people do, something different from both of those options-- I'll stick to the two main genders here).
This means that transgender girls are people who were "assigned male at birth" (they have a male sex / their appearance caused people to treat them as a boy) and later realized that they see themselves as girls. They may or may not have physically transitioned (ie. changed sex), or may be in a state of partial transition (since genitalia, hormones, and some other things all make up sex, and those can disagree).
TL;DR: A transgender girl was born physically male, now considers themselves to be female, and may or may not have physically transitioned to match that new identity.
I appreciate you taking the time to look into this! It can definitely get complicated, especially if you start looking into edge cases, and in some regions it's pretty rare to meet someone like this IRL, so natural exposure can be low.
Edit: As a useful guide I'll also give a short list of transgender-related acronyms:
- AMAB = Assigned male at birth
- AFAB = Assigned female at birth
- FTM = Female-to-Male (transitioned to male, aka "trans man")
- MTF = Male-to-Female (transitioned to female, aka "trans woman")
- HRT = Hormone Replacement Therapy (taking hormones to promote physical changes to align your sex with your preferred gender)
I haven't seen that episode of south park but I wouldn't trust the south park take on gender issues. Contrapoints on Youtube is a great explainer for uninitiated straight folks who want to learn about trans perspectives.
I can understand debating whether an intersex or transgender athlete should be allowed to compete in the women’s division at the Olympic / world championship level.
But ffs do we really need to make a federal case about it in high school sports?
This isn’t about athletic performance.
I'd say that calzone looks sad, but any Italian-adjacent food is it going to be sad if it's in New Hampshire.
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Why the fuck does the “land of the free” have a law for school teams. Let kids play on the team they want. It’s not like they are playing in the champions league.
As a person who has coached inside the public school system, I wish it was that simple. I really really do.