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The co-founder of failed cryptocurrency exchange FTX pleaded not guilty to a seven count indictment charging him with wire fraud, securities fraud and money laundering.

An attorney for FTX co-founder Sam Bankman-Fried said in federal court Tuesday his client has to subsist on bread, water and peanut butter because the jail he's in isn't accommodating his vegan diet.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Welcome to the American corrections system, abuses like this and worse happen every day and we just don't normally hear about them because the defendants aren't famous like this one is

"For example, in 2019, guards force fed a Hindu man in ICE detention who went on hunger strike to protest the failure to provide vegan meals to him and other Hindus in detention."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

He is Vegan. Irrespective of how we feel about what he did, the failure to address his core ethical beliefs is completely unacceptable. If his belief was rooted in ideas of a higher being or afterlife, everyone would acknowledge how fucked up it is. Not that I'm planning on going to jail anytime soon, but if I could not be able to abide by that daily practice of my life it would be incredibly distressing. Unless he is doing it for environmental reasons (I don't know) he likely seeks total animal liberation, and you're going to force feed him stolen animal secretions? Coproducts of dead baby cows, blended up chicks, and beings bred into painful bodies? The alternative is malnutrition? I would highly consider Jainism or Sikhism on this fact alone. Fuck you if you think he should be forced to go against these ethical beliefs. It is 100% a human rights violation IMO.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Irrespective of how we feel about what he did

What he has been accused of doing. He has not been proven guilty. I’m not saying he’s not guilty but until proven so, whatever happened to “innocent until proven guilty”?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes earlier in the thread it was very mob like. That's me just placating I suppose. He has not been proven guilty and they're already starving him. Doubly wrong.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

SBF is in prison and has been relieved of his freedom.

The penal system must offer him a diet that satisfies his daily nutritional requirements because he is not free to do so on his own.

The state is not required to support his "ethical beliefs."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'd personally consider it pretty cruel and inhumans to force someone to violate their own ethics on a daily basis.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just give the guy vegan food ffs. Fucking Americans are so obsessed with making life as shitty as possible for anyone any chance they get.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For anyone? Ever heard of this guy?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, I have, he's a horrible person, but treating him poorly will not undoe what he's done. And this goes far beyond this one person. The entire us """justice""" system is based around this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well then, by that logic, nothing bad should ever happen to anyone regardless of what they do, meaning they're now free to harm others as they wish.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

What the fuck are you even talking about? Are you a troll or are you just thick as pig shit?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I think it's crazy the number is people here who think that jail/prison is supposed to primarily be about punishment. Do they not understand the concept of recitavism?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I keep seeing the sentiment in this thread that if you go to prison you basically deserve whatever happens to you, which is a fucked up stance in itself, but more importantly:

Why do the cows, chickens, etc. deserve to suffer because someone is in prison? Does that make sense in any moral framework? How would you feel if we bagged random people not guilty of anything and forced prisoners to watch them tortured "on their behalf" as a form of punishment? That's pretty much the same situation ethically and everyone would agree it's fucked up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait I'm legitimately confused about this.

I agree with you in the first paragraph.

I'm confused about what you mean by animals suffering because someone is in prison. Don't they suffer regardless of if someone is in prison? Like, the animal would die and be eaten, regardless of where the meat is sent.

I'm pro animal rights and all that btw, I just don't get the connection you are making here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The meals will (I assume) be allocated on inmate numbers, so the animal will be reared, killed, transported, then thrown in the trash because someone doesn't want to eat it.

More generally this is the weird 'opt out' culture of food, where vegan is considered the exceptional position, which is kinda stupid, in my opinion.