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As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do you get this uneasy feeling that people know? Like they know they aren't in that 2/3 and that they are kind of racist enough that they sort of want that 2/3 gone? Like people call it "complacency" among the 1% nations but I just got this feeling sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

100%. I often hear the argument "we're not where it will happen first" when people don't want to take any action. Implicitly they know and even welcome climate change mowing down the global south. When asked if billions of climate refugees fit in their plan they handwave it away.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I think they know that basically the refugees are going to be met with a military (maybe that's why the fear of refugees is brewing), but I think the thing they don't really understand is that those billions actually make all the things they / we use. At some point the 1% societies get to "peak buying power" and nothing will ever cause it to go up, wages be damned.

Also, we need those wages / taxes for the military they're counting on.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Earth will survive – it’ll be different, but it will carry on.

I hate how glib some people are handling an extinction of not only human life. Countless species, ecosystems and individual animals will die.

But yes, life will continue. You're technically correct. The best kind of correct. /s

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Another species will die" does not spur action quite like "you and everyone you love will die". To be entirely fair, this behaviour is not uniquely human. We aren't that special.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago

I get the motivational part. It's just the "earth will move on, lol" part that's unnecessarily cruel and pisses me off.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think the fatalism comes from a place of helplessness. Who is going to survive? The rich. How does a normal person survive or help stave off the worst? They can't. They're busy trying to figure out rent and food for next week, while trying to ignore the chronic condition their healthcare system won't let them fix.

Now, if we all rise up and eat the rich, we might have something. Not sure how one inspires such a necessary movement these days. Especially planet-wide. Plus, it would likely lead to violence, which many are not a fan of, I'd prefer not, myself.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Now, if we all rise up and eat the rich, we might have something.

One of the challenges here is simply organizing such a moevement. The communication platforms needed for that simply will not allow users to plan a revolution.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Plus, it would likely lead to violence, which many are not a fan of, I'd prefer not, myself.

You're ignoring the inherent violence that's already prevalent in the current trajectory things are heading towards.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Technically seen, technically correct is the only kind of correct

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Humans, sure, and millions of other species. Think penguins will survive? Nope. Jellyfish? Nope.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I'm not fond of this unusual-views-of-single-scientist kind of article. You can always find, for example, a gravity-denying physicist.

It takes more than that to be definitive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

See ya wouldn’t want to be ya