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Majority of Israeli Jews believe prison rape suspects shouldn't face criminal charges [18 August 2024 | MEE staff | middleeasteye.net] (www.middleeasteye.net)

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65 percent believe army punishment is enough for reserve officers accused of sexual assault at Sde Teiman prison

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago

A completely sick society.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's important to know the demographic of the poll sample in order to properly understand the poll data. For instance, 65 percent of the poll participants are currently on shift at Abu Ghraib.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A translation of the top caption says

The last Iron Swords survey was conducted between the dates 07-11.8.24 led by the data collection and analysis desk at the Institute for National Security Studies. The fieldwork was carried out by the "iPanel" Institute, during which 772 men and women were interviewed on the Internet and by telephone in the Hebrew language and 200 in the Arabic language, which constitute a representative sample of the adult Israeli population in Israel aged 18 and over. The maximum sampling error for the entire sample is 3.5% ± at a 95% confidence level.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

972 people is a respectable sample size, representative mix of demographics is good, a mix of phone and internet interviews is good too. Seems pretty decent.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago

Nazis don't consider "inferior races" human, eh?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The holy and good hearted self titled people of god everyone. Their god must be so proud. All headed straight to heaven, I'm sure. It's like it says on the Torah, you should kill children and rape innocent civilians and god will love you.

Oh wait, no, it says something different. Maybe they should ask those ultra orthodox who do so much studying what it says there. To be honest I'm not sure i understand what Judaism stands for anymore myself. I thought i did, but i don't anymore.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Fascist society.

[+] [email protected] -9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Well, I feel a little better about the USA.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why would you feel better about the USA when the USA are who have fostered, enabled and defended these attitudes for 70 years now?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well, I'm thinking that the percentage of Americans who would approve of this is lower. That's it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Eh, Abu Ghraib had its share of supporters. No one stormed any prisons, but still.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Not a majority of aupporters.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Ah, but that seems like a race to the bottom.

As an American:

I prefer to compare the best of society, not the worst, so that we may work towards improving our society instead of being happy with the status quo.

We are funding these wars and the mass murder of the working class with the push for more proxy wars and our constant interference in elections in foreign countries.

History has shown that our actions result in civil wars, famine, and mass migration in these regions.

We must stay hopeful while doing our best to build a better society for the future.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Don't worry, the US, with its genocides and wars, far outperformed the Nazis. By numbers at least.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago

Big nah.

The soviets, however, definitely did. 2-3 times or so.

[+] [email protected] -13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

"In one instance, a prisoner in his 40s was handcuffed and forced to bend over a desk while a female soldier inserted her fingers into his rectum."

TIL a cavity search is rape now.

Reminds me when the report came out that 98% of palestinian women were sexually abused in IDF captivity; a UN investigation discovered that according to islamic law lifting a hajib is considered sexual assault so every time a palestinian women was searched for explosives they considered it the same as rape.

After subtracting all those instances the IDF was show to have the lowest percent of rape in the entire world, so of course the palestinians used that as proof that Israelis were so racist against palestinians they didn't even want to rape their woman. They literally flip flopped from "IDF rapes us too much" to "IDF doesn't rape us enough".

That was the exact moment I began to question the palestinian narrative.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm guessing this "quote" is from this article.

If that's the case, here is the actual paragraph:

The prisoner would be bent over a desk with his hands placed in front of him, handcuffed.

The female soldier, standing behind him, would insert her fingers and other objects into his rectum.

When he reacted or moved back, the soldier standing in front of him would hit him in the head and force him to bend again.

And further down in the article

“Nothing was more humiliating than when they made me take off my clothes, or when they inserted this object into my butt, or when a young female soldier kept [touching my penis].”

English is not my first language, but this does not sound like cavity search

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

It is mine. This is rape.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

The experts received substantiated reports of widespread abuse, torture, sexual assault and rape, amid atrocious inhumane conditions, with at least 53 Palestinians apparently dying as a result in 10 months.

Countless testimonies by men and women speak of detainees in cage-like enclosures, tied to beds blindfolded and in diapers, stripped naked, deprived of adequate healthcare, food, water and sleep, electrocutions including on their genitals, blackmail and cigarette burns. In addition, victims spoke of loud music played until their ears bled, attacks by dogs, waterboarding, suspension from ceilings and severe sexual and gender-based violence.

“Allegations of gang-rape of a Palestinian detainee, now shockingly supported by voices in the Israeli political establishment and society, provide irrefutable evidence that the moral compass is lost,” the experts said. In February 2024, a number of experts also expressed grave concern regarding the reports of sexual and other forms of gender-based violence committed against Palestinian women and girls in Israeli detention.

Israel’s escalating use of torture against Palestinians in custody a preventable crime against humanity: UN experts

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

That's sexual assault, even a legit cavity search is sexual assault it's just taken to be justified in certain situations.

That said it wasn't a cavity search and females are supposed to search females, males search male. Amusingly lifting a hijab is also sexual assault if it's a man doing it, they're trying to demean these people and you dummies are to filled with rage to figure it out.