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Trump Is ‘Weird,’ Vance Is ‘Creepy.’ Finally, the Democrats Start Name-Calling (www.nytimes.com)

submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Snowflakes. Groomers. Cucks.

For years the MAGA movement has approached politics the way a bully would approach a schoolyard, sparring with labels so nasty, they seemed expressly chosen to appeal to the kind of people who stuffed nerds in lockers in sixth grade. And for years Democrats, abiding by the mantra to go high, not low, have responded by trying to be the adults in the room: defending themselves with facts, with context, with earnest explanations that nobody remembers (if they defend themselves at all).

The problem is that taking the high road only works if politics is a sport played mainly by people who act like grown-ups, which it is not. And also: Facts and context don’t make for particularly sticky messaging.

Enter: Weird.

Over the past two weeks, as “Brat” and coconut memes have taken over the internet and Kamala Harris inches closer to Donald Trump in the polls, the Democrats have finally gone low, deploying a bit of verbal jujitsu so delightfully petty it might just work.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Back when Michelle Obama said when they go low, we go high--I told my wife "I really wish that worked in American politics, I really do....but it simply doesn't". My wife disagreed. Because my wife is a mature, kind-hearted Democrat. She thinks you can bring an informational brochure to a bar fight.

Maybe there is a way to de-escalate things and return to more civil "statesmanship" style in our politics. But my guess is that these things follow some kind of up-and-down cycle, and you don't want to be on the side that's lagging.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I saw an article that summarizes people like your wife as those living in a West Wing (TV show) fantasy. I wish we lived in such a world too, but we definitely do not.

I do not mean offense to your wife. I envy people that still have that type of faith.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No offense taken. She has a hard time seeing how nasty it has become. She limits her exposure to the news, which is mostly a good thing.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It isn't a good thing overall if it means she's that out of touch.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Out of touch with what? How ducking awful humans really are?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Out of touch with current politics.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Elaborate. Which part of the GOP platform are we going to talk about? Oh, right, they don't have one. There's literally nothing to discuss.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The part where she thinks you can take information to a bar fight...?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

No answer just a downvote. what a coward.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

It's not just one or the other.

You can't ignore it, you can't pick it apart and expect people to listen. Even if they listen, now you're spending all your time explaining.

What you is dismiss them quickly and broadly, then talk about what you would do.

They won't waste time trying to talk policy, so they're reduced to making the same insults and getting the same dismissals.

It makes them look "weak" and the more they fight back the crazier shit they have to make up. It's a feedback loop.

Biden tried to do it, he just couldn't string together enough words. Kamala can, but it's not some master strategy, just the common sense response to the situation

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

fuck us politics.

Non of them ever adress the actual issues.

The declining middle class.

That you are just an industrial war machine that has to constantly be in war.

That you are ruled by wall street.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Bernie Sanders...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

like they will ever let him run. He is anti Israel, guess which lobby doesn't like him ?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

Every friggin' (R) are weird and creepy POS.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago

Regulatory agencies have been captured, scotus is corrupt, women's rights have been taken, the largest industries are enriching a miniscule handful of Americans, fascism is increasingly coming into style and our noble democrats have only just started a new grand strategy of.... name calling?

Forget about getting people fed, using the new immunity ruling, stacking courts, or any serious material change for Americans. We are fucked.