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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

it becomes the first nation on earth to avoid civil war by allowing its military to rape prisoners

If this is true, it is only because usually the rapists got their way before enough people heard about it for it to become a civil war. Soldiers threatening mutiny unless they were allowed to rape people is a pretty common phenomenon in war.

Incidents like this almost certainly took place during the US American occupation of Okinawa, there just weren't smartphones to relay the information to the general public, other soldiers, and the government so they could take positions. Maybe the prisoners will be tried at a later date, like the US did with some rapists in the US armed forces.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Do that many people in Israel really support this?

I guess Lemmy doesn't have a big enough Israeli community to answer that, but I have a hard time picturing an analogue for this in other countries.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Israeli here.

There is enough bad blood between us and the Palestinians for many people to approve the rape, and after 7.10 they feel confident enough to vocally support it. At least - the mob on the street and in social media. The more subtle right-wingers (as you may have guessed - this became a partisan thing) don't condone the rape itself - but they have a few "but"s:

  • They say that the soldiers are heroes that operate in harsh conditions, and we should be more forgiving toward such "venting".
  • They say that we should be more skeptic toward the testimonies of the released Palestinians prisoners, and should not start investigations based on their complains.
  • They say that the arrest of the soldiers could have been done in a more peaceful and gentle way. (personal opinion - this argument is the only one that has some merit to it. Doesn't justify the rampage though)
  • The rampage against the arrest is a legitimate democratic protest, and the establishment is only handling it with extreme prejudice because it's a right-wing thing.
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

As the conversation in the Knesset I've linked below proves, it's not a fringe opinion in israel.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think the only remotely sane person in the room was the one at the end who shouted "there are things you don't do". Albeit they're all advocating for genocide, so none of them are respectable.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

members of the military directed pepper spray at the military police who came to detain the soldiers.

Holy shit! It's one thing when fascist politicians and their other brainwashed supporters resist justice, but when soldiers attack soldiers, "potential civil war" isn't even hyperbole anymore!

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