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Hello World, As many of you have probably noticed, there is a growing problem on the internet when it comes to undisclosed bias in both amateur and professional reporting. While not every outlet can be like the C-SPAN, or Reuters, we also believe that it's impossible to remove the human element from the news, especially when it concerns, well, humans.

To this end, we've created a media bias bot, which we hope will keep everyone informed about WHO, not just the WHAT of posted articles. This bot uses Media Bias/Fact Check to add a simple reply to show bias. We feel this is especially important with the US Election coming up. The bot will also provide links to Ground.News, as well, which we feel is a great source to determine the WHOLE coverage of a given article and/or topic.

As always feedback is welcome, as this is a active project which we really hope will benefit the community.

Thanks!

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Media Bias Fact Check is totally meaningless in world news since the overwhelming majority of international news coverage seen in the west is filtered through just three global agencies, AP, AFP and Reuters and they always toe a pro US/Nato line.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

could you have the bot automatically unvote its posts (make it 0) so it goes under new comments when sorted by votes?

the spoiler thing doesn't work on eternity and it kinda hides everything under it being so long

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I wish bot comments didn't count toward the comment count, too. It's annoying to see "1 comment" and then you look and it's just this or the summary bot.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Remove that. It’s too US centric. I don’t want that here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

While I love the idea, I KNOW that there are certain groups that will refuse to accept that factual information. Tankies, for instance, will refuse to accept any criticism of their preferred sources. (As will Russian-asset Jimmy Dore.) Far-right conservatives will do the same, only on the other end of the spectrum.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

MBFC is not factual.

It’s subjective. The opinion of one random man on the internet and his supposed volunteers.

I’ve seen it rate Indian papers low and add comments like “Never once reported anything false.” Meanwhile some US garbage will be ranked as reliable and the comments are an essay on all the times they’ve been busted lying.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Got an example of a US source being rated reliable despite failed fact checks? I'd be interested in seeing that.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Hmm. It's not a perfect way of measuring source bias, and bias is only correlated with truthfulness as I think they themselves admit, but I applaud the spirit.

I worry that people will put too much stock in it's assessment, and as far as I can tell propaganda posting is already pretty controlled, on .world specifically. Did you code this yourselves? Is there some way one of us could request to push to the source, like if I figure out some way it could be better? In particular, it would be good to add notes on the specific sources commenters have described as having issues not covered by MBFC.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I for one support this. Sure it's not perfect and the bias checker had its own bias, but it's merely am advisory, you can disregard it if you want.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A whole lot of people here don't read MBFC each day and it shows. They tend to take a single and testable claim and make a decision. It's really easy to see if the claim is true or false if the claim is specific. They don't have a habit of taking a big claim and ruling it false because of one small detail like Snopes does.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

lol, look at the failed fact checks of the Guardian UK and tell me that

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

See, this is what I'm talking about. They don't fact check articles by specific publishers. They fact check a claim. "Is this statement true", "did X Y", etc. they don't do "is this this article by the guardian true." That's a whole separate thing not done by them.

They offer a separate service where they rate the general trustworthiness and bias of a publication but that's not the same as doing a specific article, is it?

Your comment makes me wonder if you might be confusing them with someone else or are intentionally saying something about them that isn't accurate. Because your comment is incompatible with what they actually do.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The bot shares the trustworthiness and bias rating for a publication. This entire topic is about that bot. So that’s very obviously what we’re all referring to. I’m not sure if you’re confused or being obtuse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I must be confused.

Here is my view of the conversation. Let me know where I went wrong.

People saying MBFC is biased. Me saying that that's BS if talking about specific facts checks. Me saying they also offer a bias check for news sources. But that's not a fact check. You reply saying that they have repeatedly gotten claims by the Guardian UK wrong. Me saying that they don't fact check whole articles so your statement is inconsistent with the very nature of the type of fact checking they do. You come back saying you are talking about the bias check for the Guardian. Except that's not what you said in your first comment, is it? You specifically said "failed fact checks of the Guardian UK" which isn't about their overall rating but about specific facts checks. Their fact checking and their media bias checks are two separate functions.

So when you tell me I'm being obtuse it looks to me like either you didn't realize that you complained about one thing while confusing it with another or are trying to gaslight me.

Where did I go wrong?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
  1. Visit https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/
  2. Notice Factual Reporting is “Mixed”
  3. Scroll down to “Failed Fact Checks”
  4. Review.

The website very clearly has a massive centrist, pro-capitalism bias. By picking and choosing what “fact checks” to include, they can tilt the “fact-based reporting” metric in whatever way they choose.

This metric is what is being included by the bot. That is the topic of conversation. If that metric is biased. It very, very, very clearly is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Did you just criticize a fact checking organization by calling it centrist? Are you looking for a more left or right biased fact checker?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

So, I’m guessing you're American. Basically, your country is so fucked up that you call the right wing left wing and you call the far-right right wing. And centrism is like between right wing and far-right. Does that make sense? So when I say it’s centrist, I mean it’s right wing, but not explicitly fascist. Just contributing towards fascism in a “slow and steady” kind of way. You know, classical liberalism, neo-liberal, that kinda stuff.

It’s also very clearly zionist, so calling it centrist was me being a little bit nice.

Left wing is anti-capitalist, right wing is pro-capitalist. Hope that helps.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A lot of the criticism I've seen thus far falls into two categories:

  1. Users complaining that their favorite source is scored poorly
  2. Users complaining that the ratings have various sources of statistical bias

The ones in the first group I think should take it as a wakeup call that they are either headline shopping or missing out on other perspectives of current events. This is especially important on the international stage where armed conflicts will naturally produce two opposing accounts (and lots of propaganda).

The second group have a point - MBFC isn't the end all be all, but it's certainly better than nothing. Having meaningful bias measurements for each relevant scale would be impressive but way beyond what MBFC aims to do.

So all in all - I see this as a very positive change

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago

Thanks! Your points are perfectly on target.

If we had any other api with parity of media bias / fact check, then we would have included it, but we only see paid, no api available.

But for now we have added a ground.news search link so that everyone can see a third opinion on it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Mods, I appreciate this bot!

Deciphering media bias is tough, and finding 1 site that will 'perfectly' identify biases is an impossible task, but at the minimum having this bot show up on posts 'gets people thinking' about the credibility of their news sources.

MBFC doesn't have to be the ultimate arbitrator either. If it is missing something about a specific article people can call it out in the comments. At the end of the day, the worst thing it does is add more data about a news source and I'm not gonna complain about that.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I appreciate having this bot, and I also think that it can be tweaked to be better. Are there other services that do something similar (ex. I see ground.news in the bot comments). What might be better is if there was a bot that linked to a few different options, so that people can benefit from the extra information. I seem to remember a Lemmy bot that was doing something like that last year, but I can't find it now.

For example, a format like this might get the benefits of the bot while also addressing the concerns people have:

Information for News Source Name

See this page to learn about this bot, and how you can support the tools above.

If the bot was open sourced somewhere, then people could contribute improvements to formatting and add/remove sources as appropriate. It doesn't need to be a fully democratic process, as the maintainers would get the final say, but it would make people trust the tool a lot more.

Other small tweaks / bugs

  • The links need an https:// at the start, else it breaks and shows https://instance/LINK
  • If the data can be condensed some more, with inline links as opposed to full ones. Yes we should recommend that developers fix their apps/frontends, but with federation it's likely that there will be breakages in a lot of places. Improvements to comment format will help.
  • I'm not sure if the thank you and donation link is appropriate in the comment, since it feels like an advertisement / endorsement. Having that information on a separate link would be more fair. For example, ground.news also has a donation page, but it's not in the comment.
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[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

What has it come to - bots will be hunting bots. I hope you see this too.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

Ground News Media Bias Fact Check Credibility: [High] (Click to view Full Report)

Ground News is rated with High Creditability by Media Bias Fact Check.

Bias: Least Biased
Factual Reporting: Mostly Factual
Country: Canada
Full Report: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ground-news/

Check the bias and credibility of this article on Ground.News:
- https://ground.news/find?url=https%3A%2F%2Fground.news%2F%29%2C

Media Bias/Fact Check Media Bias Fact Check Credibility: [High] (Click to view Full Report)

Media Bias/Fact Check is rated with High Creditability by Media Bias Fact Check.

Bias: Least Biased
Factual Reporting: Very High
Country: United States of America
Full Report: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com

Check the bias and credibility of this article on Ground.News:
- https://ground.news/find?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmediabiasfactcheck.com%2F%29

Media Bias/Fact Check Media Bias Fact Check Credibility: [High] (Click to view Full Report)

Media Bias/Fact Check is rated with High Creditability by Media Bias Fact Check.

Bias: Least Biased
Factual Reporting: Very High
Country: United States of America
Full Report: mediabiasfactcheck.com

Check the bias and credibility of this article on Ground.News:
- https://ground.news/find?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmediabiasfactcheck.com%2F%29


Media Bias Fact Check is a fact-checking website that rates the bias and credibility of news sources. They are known for their comprehensive and detailed reports.

Thanks to Media Bias Fact Check for their access to the API.
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[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think it's a great addition, but it sure does eat up a lot of space. Any way it can be condensed to the absolute basic information?

This is what it looks like for me on Boost: Sample of the bot comments

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago

See reply in support post

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

For those reporting the bot:

We know! We worked with the Admins to enable it. :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Then I guess we'll continue until you remove it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Thanks for this!

Edit: And happy cake day!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

Thanks! I can't believe it's been a year since Reddit imploded! 15 years there and never looked back!

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