If you had any sense you wouldn't claim to be part of an organized religion that shielded people who raped kids. They shouldn't shield people who are killing kids and committing genocide. These are pretty easy judgements for me and even Bob sees it.
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Do you not even notice the irony in your reply? At all?
If you had any sense you wouldn't claim to be part of an organized religion
there FTFY
You literally are this meme 🤡
You also shouldn’t claim to be a part of .
If I don't pay taxes, they kill me. Can you tell me the same about religion?
I mean yeah many religions have extreme sects that will enforce harsh consequences for not participating.
Ok so specifically if I choose not identify as a catholic, go to church, support or to give money to the Catholic church will anything happen to me inside the United States in 2024? And My follow up question does this mean I cannot or do not still believe in the same "God"?
Ah so you get to the important part: if you go to a sane Catholic Church in the United States, choose to identify as catholic or not, choose to donate or otherwise support the church or not, choose to believe in “the same God” or not, nothing will happen to you.
Similarly, said church won’t be responsible for the previously mentioned horrible things.
Also similarly, if you refuse to pay taxes in the U.S., the absolute worst that will happen to you is you spend some time in jail, but unless you are someone like Al Capone it won’t go that far. You certainly won’t be killed.
The overall point is, extrapolating the most extreme minority of an inhomogeneous group to make assumptions about every individual in the group is a strawman fallacy of an argument.
In jail my life would be to essential over. Like this conversation with you. You have to draw the line somewhere. If I could exist as I wished without giving my taxes to a government that uses them to drop bombs on kids i would make that choice. I also would vote for whoever promises to not do that. You know doing the bare minimum. Like not covering up for, expelling from my organization, and prosecuting pedophilles. But whatever makes you feel better about supporting kid fuckers.
Most people engage in religion in ways that doesn’t have anything to do with the horrible things the worst people who practice that religion do.
My local church flies a pride flag. If you want to support getting bad priests out of church, make sure that the church you attend, donate to, and volunteer for represents your values. You know, doing the bare minimum. But whatever makes you feel better about supporting the military industrial complex.
I don't dress up in special clothes and attend meetings where I praise and pass a collection plate for the military complex. I didn't join the military or volunteer to even serve them soup. If I could opt out of any and all support for them I would if there was a choice. But your so brainwashed you think you don't have a choice to not go to church lol. That's what it comes down to. You have a choice with your religion. You do not have choice in your "country". I understand in some countries you don't have a choice. But in the USA if you are choosing to support that type of religious organization your a coward and a coconspirator. This is your whole argument "My denomination of the KKK is a good one, we barely do any racism. " lol
But your so brainwashed you think you don't have a choice to not go to church lol.
You’re so brainwashed you think this is what 100% of religion looks like. I choose to go to my church and I know my church does not support and will not stand for priests committing crimes.
"My denomination of the KKK is a good one, we barely do any racism. "
This argument is assuming religion is fundamentally organized about hurting children, which is, of course, ridiculous. This is a textbook strawman argument.
The fallacy doesn’t have to do with whether or not people have a choice in participating, it’s taking the absolute most extreme worst subset of a group and using that to represent the entire group, despite there being a huge variety and that subset really being only representative of a tiny fraction.
That’s why I’m equating it to the idea that all Americans are war mongers. It’s a closely related train of thought to racism and sexism as well.
It's cool man your church is one of the good ones, lol. Don't worry God is gonna forgive all those sins anyway just be you and Hitler and all those baby rapist priests chilling in heaven.
Hitler spoke German so that language should be banned.
Prove me wrong /s
Try better strawman, this one is full of holes
So is arguing that because an organization has corruption and bad things happen in it that the whole thing is worth throwing away. If that was the case you would have to consider all governments, organizations, systems and businesses that are inherently faulty are worth the same dismantling.
It’s almost as if all things made by human hands are faulty and can’t be repaired or something.
Wow, what a fucking disingenuous argument. How disgusting do you have to be to wave away systemic child rape with "some corruption and bad things happen"?
How about you examine why you think that dismantling an organisation that shields these people is a controversial idea? I don't care if it's a government, company, charity, any fucking place that is found to systemically protect child rapists needs to go, period. If you're not comfortable with that idea, you should probably be asking yourself some questions.
Not all things, just organized religions. There's a fine difference between "an organization has corruption and bad things happen" and "an organization has no point to exist other than to protect corruption and bad things within itself". At least government gives me something when I pay taxes to it
Oh I'm totally Judging you too catholic. Any religious nuts btw
You want to believe in something go ahead that's healthy,
You want to be part of a money making, rule setting, kid raping, woman killing (see how any religion applies?!) organization that tells you how and what you have to believe and that some people are less than others?! Then you are fucked up
"see how any religion applies?!"
Atheist of fundamentalist protestant extraction. Aren't like some of the Buddhists pretty cool? Especially the Zen Buddhists. Also, Sikhs seem cool. And the Jainists.
I could totally be wrong. Organized religion is a terrible thing in almost all of my experience.
Wiccans have been real cool in my experience. They have really fun orgies.
You're right. It should say "most religions". Jainists are the top example of a non harmful religion but very few Jainists exist. Sikhs do seem pretty cool but I haven't done too much research on them. Buddhism is actually rife with violence and encourages masochism though the Zen sect is definitely better.
I think the real point though is that saying, "I'm religious", should be an embarrassing and negative statement. Not something that means the person should automatically be given the benefit of the doubt because a minority of religious people are just harmlessly misinformed. It's like saying, "I'm a cannibal, but don't worry, I'm part of a special Zen cannibal sect that only eats people after they die of natural causes and consented to being eaten because we think that it really helps the circle of life and the environment". It's not technically hurting anyone but it's still weird and when you hear cannonball in general you should still automatically assume that person is dangerous.
Different person sticking their nose in, but I really respect what the Satanic Temple is doing. Like in general, but also specifically their stance that religion should not be ceded as the territory of superstition.
Like it or not, religion is one of the fundamental building blocks of community. It provides gathering. At its best it encourages sharing, both of burdens and of blessings. Prayer is so often just meditation focused on helping one another.
I was raised in Christianity, and I am downright resentful of so much of what they did to me. But god I miss the community. Kink is the closest thing I have found in secularism.
No Satanic Temple near me unfortunately. I'd love to have something like that in my life.
What’s a progressive catholic?
Someone who vibes with the basic teachings of Jesus (feed the hungry, clothe the poor, turn the other cheek, etc.) and heavy ritual stuff (cathedrals, stained glass, cannibalism by proxy, etc.) but does not vibe with repressive conservative politics.
They were probably raised Catholic, saw some ick with the Institution, but vibed with Jesus too hard to just write the Faith off. Tbf every progressive probably vibes with Jesus if they read what the guy supposedly said.
It’s what is done in his name that turns people off.
Jewish =/= zionist
is judging people based on what others have done not the whole point of Catholicism?
Matthew 7:3: “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Very high quality comments in this thread. /s
I wouldn't expect anything else.
It’s just like that old website, no nuance or discussion. It’s like r/atheism all over again.