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Progressive film-maker says he’s more optimistic than he’s ever been since Trump announced first run eight years ago

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Read the article hoping Moore elaborated the quote in the headline. It’s not there and I wanted to know what “do weird and cringe until the debate, then nail him” means specifically from his perspective.

Anyone have a guess?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago

I don't think it is anything specific, just support for the current approach the Harris/Walz campaign tactics and then to take it more seriously at the debate. Which is probably the plan already.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m going to guess that Michael Moore is a little kooky.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

He's a bit up himself these days, but he means well.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

My guess: Harris/Walz should continue to play up the weird and cringe because it's effective. This frames everything Trump will say during the debate as weird and he will constantly be fighting not to be weird the entire time. He probably will say many weird things due to this (and let's face it, he does say some weird shit anyway), so Harris can "nail" him by simply calling it out and asking for details on any weird response. This will cause things to not only get heated but act as a multiplier on the weird content since it's common for Trump to double down. 🍿🍿🍿

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I too was wondering about that line.
At first I thought he was suggesting Harris/Walz should be weird and cringy. I only just realized he's suggesting that they keep referring to Trump/Vance as being weird and cringy - to keep pointing out the those two are not normal.

That line would have been clearer if written...

...do 'weird' and "cringe" until the debate...

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (5 children)

How my parents hated Michael Moore. He reminded them of a guy who they felt always got the best of them. There was a resemblance. The person in question was well educated and pretty smart. He could see my parents manipulation of events and always got ahead of them. He wasn't a bad person. He wasn't religious but donated 100 grand to a church that was rebuilding from a fire because most of his employee's attended it. My parents tried to make the donation a bad thing. My parents also died maga chumps.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There's gonna be a debate? I would probably enjoy a VP debate the most.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Walz has already agreed to one on I believe October 1st. CBS maybe? Just waiting on Weird couch fucking, cross dressing Vance

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Are we sure we want to paint crossdressing in a negative light? I know they hate it, but it's kind of friendly fire, no?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Hypocrisy. We are painting hypocrisy in a negative light

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (5 children)

True. I just don't want to associate crossdressing with "bad weird".

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

No, you're painting crossdressing in a negative light and you should do better.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Cool collected old neighbour schooling and ridiculing the weird asshole?

Yeah, this might be delicious. But it is seriously worrying that this is supposed to be a debate and a political reality.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Tell Michael Moore to join Neil deGrasse Tyson in the "We don't want to hear from you anymore" line.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Add Maher to the list. Good god he's so in love with himself.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Maher is a straight up conservative hack though, not in the same category.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

How is he comparable to Neil? I've been listening to Michael Moore's podcast off and on since 2020 and he's only come across as humble and empathetic to me which is not how I'd characterize Neil.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I honestly don't know who he is off the top of my head. I'm glad more people are sick of NDT though. He just seems like a conceited ass that refuses to be wrong

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (5 children)

We need a reincarnation of Carl Sagan. He was a great science communicator.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Was Bill Nye really as bad as people acted upon his return? I feel like he just took off the child gloves and talked to his audience as adults. Unfortunately, he failed to realize a large majority of the population is childlike in mentality

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The people who hated on Bill Nye were conservatives, and they did so because he explained concepts like Gender which they did not appreciate (i.e. does not fit into their reductionist misogynistic harmful ideology). Bill Nye is great.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Yeah, my partner explained it to me a bit. Go Bill! I think my point stands though. He tried to talk to them like adults. They are fucking children

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ah, good point! That’s also the impression I get from his work. His Netflix series was pretty much written for adults who watched him on PBS as kids.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (20 children)

Shit, am I OOTL? i like NDGT, but should i not? Did he do something shitty?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He's conceited and refuses to admit that he could be wrong because his views are based on science, ignoring that they're just his interpretations of it. This is a good example:

(He did apologize for this)

But to tweet something with the connotation of "gun violence isn't that bad" while ignoring half of the gun violence stats in your own list, and ignoring that there can be multiple problems that can be solved at once (guns, mental health, car dependency, etc.) isn't the best. I don't think he's like objectively a bad person, he's just overconfident and IMO annoying. He does communicate science though, so props for that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for the larger picture

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Always happy to disappoint :-)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

He's overly interested in kissing himself in a mirror. Nuff said.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Conservatives got mad that a black man was publicly pro-vaccination, started a smear campaign, and anti-intellectualism took over from there for the brainless masses.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Has Michael Moore ever run for elective office?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Michael Moore and running should not be in the same sentence.

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