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[–] [email protected] 273 points 3 months ago (4 children)

The story does not tell us how Linus Torvalds responded to the NSA, but I’m guessing he told them he wouldn’t be able to inject backdoors even if he wanted to, since the source code is open, and all changes to it are reviewed by many independent people.

Yeah I'm guessing the answer would be more colorful based on the historical data we have

[–] [email protected] 127 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 105 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There aren't enough swear-words in the English language, so now I'll have to call you perkeleen vittupää just to express my disgust and frustration with this crap.

Beautiful

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago

It's like our very own Gordon Ramsay

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 months ago

Also experience shows that it's possible to backdoor software in very subtle ways that could go years without anyone spotting them. So if he had decided to he probably could have done it, despite Linux being open source.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

I would pay money to see daddy Linus flip off some big shot intelligence official

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Oh man would die to see his reply. It would probably start with something like

"The fact that I have to explain this to a person who works in a national security agency makes me really worried..."

[–] [email protected] 126 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Ohh so it's the NSA that my failed sudos are reported to!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Recent versions of sudo changed that message and now I'm sad 😢

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Damn, I'm going to miss those messages one day on my Debian stable server.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Switch to doas so feds don't get any more reports!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

nah, we have run0 at home

[–] [email protected] 116 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I somehow misread that as NBA, and was very confused what basketball had to do with OS backdoors

NSA makes

WAY more sense

[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Michel jordan want to look at your browser history :D

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nope this has Kareem written all over it

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

A OS backdoor is very simular to a backdoor cut, which allows a player to sneak behind defenders when they are focused on the ball or player with a ball.

NBA coaches have taken inspiration from many different places to perfect their plays. Computer security is just another step.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

I read it NASA at first

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Years ago there was a commit to the Linux kernal that strangly had no author. This got some attention of several of the developers.

Looking into the code that had to deal with network transmission. there was a section that if you tried to get network access in a unusual way had a check that was written something like this.

If (usr_permission = ROOT) ... Instead of If (usr_permission == ROOT) ...

The first giving the user root if invoked and the second checking to see if the user was root.

It's widely thought this was the NSA or some other intelligence agency trying to backdoor lin Linux.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The other side of that coin is the NSA developing SELinux

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is because NSA has two roles: eavesdropping on foreign adversaries, and protecting our internal systems from adversaries. Under the first role, they might introduce an exploit known only to themselves. Under the second, they help protect US systems from exploits known to others.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And because of this it makes whatever they fuck with have unnecessary security issues.

Also though they are using it to straight up spy on you whether foreign or not. They got in "trouble" for it once and pinky swore not to do it again.

Fuck the NSA

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Or it could of been any person or country. It was a nothing burger and is still a nothing burger

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It was clearly an attack. By who is unknown.

Notably this was in 2003 before git (2005) so linux source was in a central bitkeeper repo. So a commit with no associated data about who did it should not have been possible.

Here is a more detailed article. https://lwn.net/Articles/57135/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

speaking in burger terms as any good american

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

fork the kernel and yeet it?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It was caught and never made it in the kernel.

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 3 months ago

This incident will be reported

[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 months ago (1 children)

he wouldn’t be able to inject backdoors even if he wanted to, since the source code is open

Jia Tan has entered the chat

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

The project contains binary blobs anyway so theoretically it wouldn't be super hard

[–] [email protected] 57 points 3 months ago (2 children)

But nobody's going to give them any sentence for that unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if I knew that the backdoors that appear in Windows were designed by someone. I didn't know they were this brazen.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

Yeah, when the actual mobo and cpu can be taken over remotely, what does the OS even matter?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I didn't know they were this brazen.

Oh boy i remember when i was this innocent

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

For what? Destabilizing the whole technological ecosystem of the planet is not a crime. ¯\(ツ)

[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 months ago

As long as the backdoor is licenced GPL what's the problem?

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 months ago (1 children)

good thing he's not an American citizen

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Except he is. He lives in portland now afaik

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Here's where Linus did/said the thing. (He is the second person from the right.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gRsgkdfYJ8

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

When was the last analysis of the linux kernel source code ?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If you want t see Mr. Torvalds questioning this in the video in the link, go straight to minute 43.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Circa 1975, IBM proposed the cipher now called DES, the Data Encryption Standard. It became a worldwide standard for secret key encryption. As IBM originally designed it, DES had a 64-bit key. The National Security Agency (NSA) required that the key be reduced from 64 bits to 56 bits, with the other 8 bits used as a checksum. This made no sense. If a checksum were really needed, then the key could be increased from 64 to 72 bits. It was widely believed that the real reason the NSA made this demand was that it knew how to crack messages using a 56-bit key, but not messages using a 64-bit key. This proved to be true.

Secret Key Cryptography by Frank Rubin

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