I think, if Elrond took it by force, he wouldn't be able to drop it in either.
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Correct. Elf's would be the worst ring carriers because their strong ties to magic. Elrond would have been possessed by the ring the moment he touched it.
This is part of why galandrial was so excited for herself when she resisted.
She was pretty clear on what her having the ring would mean (at least in her mind, but she was generally pretty smart):
...in place of a Dark Lord you would have a Queen! Not dark but beautiful, and terrible as the Morn! Treacherous as the Seas! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!
This makes me recall a part in Lord of the Rings Online - when you finally leave Moria and go to Lothlorien, you encounter Frodo there. The game has a hope/dread mechanic where being in the presence of someone particularly heroic or evil will make the meter go one way or the other, buffing or debuffing you accordingly. I noticed the dread meter increased when I approached him and was confused until I remembered that he was carrying the ring with him. It was a cleverly subtle way of depicting the burden he carried even though he wasn't showing it on the outside.
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Elrond can't drop Isildur into the fire because Isildur has the ring and nobody can intentionally destroy the ring.
Gollum was only able to destroy the ring because he's fucking stupid.
Elven combat tactics presumably do not include the dropkick.
Charge at him, give him a big bear hug, and momentum takes both of them.
Same idea. Though going in with him saves you from explaining.
"It's the craziest thing. He fell right in."
If you're smart enough to consider that this would destroy the ring, then you can't do it. It's intentionally destroying the ring.
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Gandalf wasn't there
That was my first read, but I think the color change is supposed to mean he's recalling the story later.
I remember reading or listening to a short story where the author described what would've happened if Elrond had pushed Isildur into the fire in order to destroy the ring. If I remember correctly Elrond emerges from mount doom and eventually communicates what happened at the peak and his action of killing Isildur in order to destroy the ring, this ends up angering the humans who would later start a war with the elves in order to avenge the death of Isildur. This leads to massive casualties on both the human and elven side but the war abruptly stops as a massive rain suddenly appears and lasts for many many days, flooding the world and destroying it. Finally, it is revealed that the rain was caused by the tears of Illuvatar being shed over the terrible slaying of his children amongst themselves.
Guess he wasn't watching the first couple of wars
You mean like the rebellion of Númenor against the Valar? 👀
C isn't really an option. Elrond and Isildur were never near Orodruin for him to cast it in as an option. Isildur claimed it after he cut it from Sauron's hand.
My answer would be D too.
They are in the movie, no?
In the movies yes, but not in the book as far as I remember
Wouldn't he be too powerful with the ring for them to take on?
It doesn't look like that's how it works in the movies at least. I feel like it bends destiny, or make you "very lucky" in a way (other than invisible of course).
So maybe yea Elrond would trip and fall in the lava himself.
Apologies, I'm currently in a storm shelter waiting for the weather to pass, so I've naught to do but unleash the unsourced head canon fire house.
My impression from the movies was that the ring WOULD grant power to someone who sought to use it for that purpose, if for no other reason than to make itself even more precious (ha) to the wielder. In the case of Isildur (who, as a Man, is implied to "above all else, desire power"), the Ring knew it was in a bind. Sauron just got yeeted into the shadow dimension, and it was in the one place it could be destroyed. It NEEDED Isildur to get him out of there, pronto. So, if Elrond decided to force the issue, my assumption was always that it would lend Isildur some fraction of the power Sauron put into it as matter of self-preservation. Furthermore, by granting Isildur a taste of its power, he could fall even more under its control because power is what he wants. More self-preservation from the evilest bit of jewelry ever forged. Finally, by the time this hypothetical confrontation between Isildur and Elrond would occur, Isildur has already fallen to the Ring's temptation and rejected the call to destroy it. So, the Ring may not have any qualms about strengthening Isildur, as doing so would not endanger it at all.
Now, to contrast with Frodo (and Bilbo, to some extent). They do not desire power, and so the Ring's biggest bargaining chip is rendered useless. Additionally, for 99.9% of the journey Frodo maintains his resolution to destroy the Ring. Granting power to Frodo at any point prior to those last few steps would be a risk to it's existence.
It's been a very long time since I read the trilogy, so I don't know how much of this interpretation conflicts with legitimate explanations Tolkien gave in the text or in his correspondences, but it works for me within the context of the films.
I think the meme is about the film version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P68HWtN4zG8
In Deep Geek always has the deep answers to LotR questions like this.
I would obviously try to convince him to destroy it, or give it to a very small subset of intelligent and responsible people who could study it.