Obviously we should ban all weapons because of this outlier case
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Yeah, we should. But let's compromise and put safeguards in place instead. Like background checks, registration to monitor over eager purchasers, and generally restrict the ability of someone to take the life of a other.
In Canada we have gone to extreme lengths on gun control, specific to handguns. You can take a restricted firearms course, allowing you to own handguns, and other restricted arms.
The rules go something like this. If you own a handgun, the government can come and check on you at almost any time. You must keep it locked in a safe. You must keep ammunition in a separate room. If you plan to take the handgun to the range, or anywhere outside of your home, you have to contact the government for approval and establish a timeline.
I may not be 100% accurate on those laws but that is the gist of it. The idea is to cut down on firearm related crimes.
Now answer me this. How is that cutting down on crime at all, other than punishing lawful gun owners. How many people that caused death or injury with a handgun, took a PAL course to legally buy it? My gut says little to none. Those who commit the crimes buy handguns illegally.
It may be a sort of bias, but fuck me have there been way more shootings in my locale lately. Drug and gang related but still.
I completely agree the US needs to change some things but what I'm asking is are the 1.5-2 year old laws made in Canada actually cutting down on gun violence in Canada? Because what I see first hand is no change.
The laws you’re taking about are much older and the ones you’re thinking about haven’t been made law yet.
I linked an article that shows the actual numbers but I can’t do much about how you feel.
I mean this in the most polite and conversational way possible but what you are saying is wrong.
October 21 2022 a national freeze on sale and transfer of handguns was placed. It is still in effect today unless you take a restricted firearms course.
The article you linked me does in fact show that the US has a gun violence problem, which I believe should be rectified. How? I don't know.
Your article makes no mention of handgun/restricted weapon (automatic rifles) crime statistics decreasing after 2022, which is what I am getting at.
If you own a handgun, the government can come and check on you at almost any time. You must keep it locked in a safe. You must keep ammunition in a separate room. If you plan to take the handgun to the range, or anywhere outside of your home, you have to contact the government for approval and establish a timeline.
All these laws were in place in 2019.
2022 changed some rules on buying or transferring ownership of restricted weapons.
I stand corrected by several years, but again, I don't think recent amendments 2019+ has reduced crime. Our government has taken lawful gun owners, and are trying to take their weapons away. No criminal who owned a handgun is going to go and turn in their weapon that they may use in a crime.
Edit: take a look at this link https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2022001/article/00009-eng.htm
It is firearm crime statistics from 2009 to 2021. I would like to see up to 2023 but it isn't there unfortunately. I see no correlation to 2019 law amendments and decreasing crime. Except for maybe robberies. Which I would have expected to increase with COVID and unemployment. That being said perhaps there hasn't been enough time passed to reflect the law changes via statistics.
We’re talking about something entirely different then we started off taking about.
I’ll let you have this conversation by yourself.
We started off talking about whether recent Canada gun law amendments actually cut down on firearm crime. You then presented statistics about the US.
What’s the article this thread is based on?
You said US gun control won’t work because you feel Canada’s doesn’t. I showed you otherwise and you started to move goalposts.
I literally did not say that. I offered a conversation point to compare with what Canada has been doing and asked how it has cut down on crime
A lot of the laws you quoted were Canadian laws pre-2015, the article I linked was from 2019 which was to correct when you were saying previously.
Maybe familiarize yourself with the laws and when they changed, then see if you see differences because it’s hard to see what changed if you don’t know what you’re looking at.
Anyways, real world numbers from the first article I linked showed that Canada’s laws work better then the US ones.
Between 2019 and 2023 the Canadian government issued a ban on "assault style weapons" including pistols shorter than 105mm in length.
Another commenter pointed out that law was to prevent them being stolen during break and enters which makes sense, but even then I've never heard of that happening. I'm sure it does in larger cities So back to the original question of did the change of law to give your newly prohibited weapons back to the government decrease crime rates?
Respectfully your understanding of the laws and timeline are confused.
Bill C-21 got royal assent December 15, 2023.
That’s about two weeks ago which might be why you haven’t noticed a difference.
The other article I linked from 2022 was just to do with sale and transfer of ownership.
All the laws that you stated in your original comment were all in place before 2015.
But what you're not understanding is HE REALLY LIKES HIS GUNS AND YOU ARE BEING MEAN TO THOSE GUNS. Won't someone please think of the 9mm handguns being mercilessly attacked here?? They have feelings and rights too.