Please please please can we stop the conspiracy theories from blowing up in this thread? Can we not act like them?
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Conspiracy theories aside, I'd like to see people mocking the injury with little red ear clips, just like these assholes mocked John Kerry with purple heart band-aids:
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Whelp... Biden was insistent on running, now the Monkey's Paw has answered. All the other plausible Dems who could have stepped in to replace Biden will be running for the hills, and being the Democratic nominee is gonna be the worst job in politics for the next four months. And at the end of the campaign he gets to be remembered by history as the loser in the worst landslide election since Reagan-Carter.
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Sonia Sotomayor's decision not to retire during Biden's term is looking like yet another D own goal. Very real prospects for a 7-2 Supreme Court.
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We're going to be seeing an orgy of foreign governments jockeying to cultivate relations with Trump. Official US foreign policy is going to be dead in the water, and NATO and G7 will be leaderless, until next year.
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Trump is going to have an iron grip on the Republican party now, to an even greater extent than before. On various issues where other Republicans held positions contrary to Trump's, they're going to be brushed aside.
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For the above two reasons, Ukraine is pretty well fucked.
Fucking vote
Democrats aren't just jumping ship over this bullshit. The actual voters, the people, not the talking heads, are pretty entrenched in Not Trump. Votes aren't changing over this, and the Democrats know what's at stake. At the end of the day there's more blue than red and it was an L for Trump as soon as he said he was running.
And the end of the day I dont give a shit that he got shot. So did 50. Its not changing my vote. He's been calling for violence and got some. I worry this will cause more political violence.
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I always used to wonder how the Weimar Republic fumbled the ball so hard. Now I know.
Also, in Christian eschatology, isn't it a big deal that the Antichrist suffers a near fatal head injury before his ultimate victory?
Also, in Christian eschatology, isn't it a big deal that the Antichrist suffers a near fatal head injury before his ultimate victory?
No, because everything in that damn book is made up and doesn't matter.
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Sonia Sotomayor's decision not to retire during Biden's term is looking like yet another D own goal
She’s 70. She can easily make it 5 more years.
5 more years.
Ohh, ho ho. Yes. 5 more years when we will have our...next election.
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5 more years and then run for president after that.
Uhh 75 is kind of young, don’t you want someone with experience for president?
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Of course they have to identify the shooter with his First, middle, and last name, as is tradition… and it was a 20 yr old registered Republican? Wonder what the story on that will be?
I have a few ideas about that ranging from the boring to insane conspiracy bullshit.
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A decent amount of people, myself included, have chosen to register as republican despite not really aligning themselves with the party. PA is a closed primary state so if you want a vote in the primaries you basically have to choose R or D, I personally went Republican on my registration because in general I can live with whoever the Democrats put up, they may not be my first, third, or 20th choice of candidate, but on the Republican side there are mostly only bad choices, and I'd rather try to head off the worst of them before they make it to the general election. In other cases it might just be down to a coin flip.
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A lot of PA is pretty damn red, in some cases you may not have many or even any Democrat candidates in your local elections, and the ones you do have don't really have a snowballs chance in hell, so you might as well try to work with what you got on the Republican side.
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Or maybe even you just registered as a Republican because that's what your parents told you to do when you got your driver's license and never bothered to change it. Maybe you just kind of figured that's what everyone did, or maybe you've had a change of heart since registering.
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There are still some never-trump type Republicans out there, some of them even have their heads screwed on mostly correctly. Someone who sees trump as damaging to their party, or maybe even democracy while holding other Republican values may want him and his ilk taken out.
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Again, some Republicans do have their heads screwed on mostly right, and maybe they feel very strongly about one of the many things Trump will obviously make worse.
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Starting with the conspiracy bullshit - someone wanted to make trump a martyr to galvanize the Republican base. Maybe they only intended to wound him, maybe they did want to kill him. Maybe it's a publicity stunt orchestrated by Trump himself or other high ranking Republicans, maybe it's a lone actor who decided that it would really get Republicans motivated.
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They know Trump is overall pretty incompetent, and felt he has already served the role he was needed for and wanted him out of the picture so that someone just as evil but actually good at his job could step into his shoes.
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Even more radical Republicans who think that trump doesn't go far enough in advancing their race war, or christofascist, or whatever insane bullshit they want to bring about.
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Putin is sick of his shit, or some other foreign actor helped bring this about.
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Just plain ol' mental illness and trying to understand the motivation here isn't going to get you very far because it's not based on anything approaching logic.
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So how does this megathread work, do we all pitch in and buy a shooter or?
This is actually a scrum about yesterday's failed deployment. I'll add your suggestion to the Miro board.
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I’m getting multiple reports that some people can’t see it for some reason. Could be Federation, could be they blocked the user who posted it.
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It's the second option and for good reason.
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I blame the news media. After years of fear mongering. Will make a crazy parson act up. Sadly it did. But they not going to change. They're not going learn from this. The news media are do what they been doing. Like nothing happened.
How long before right wing media is claiming the shooter was trans?
we just respond appropriately:
- thoughts and prayers
- NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT GENDER ISSUES
- thoughts and prayers
Black Mexican illegal immigrant liberal trans.
Early reports are that he was a registered Republican. But early reports are often wrong.
CNN is speaking to Evan Perez, Senior US Justice Department Correspondant, confirming the information first reported by the New York Post.
Also on Reuters:
NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-rally-shooter-identified-rcna161757
Oh you silly goose. I said right wing media. Facts and truth don’t matter to them.
Considering that his registration is tied to his actual address it is hard to get that one wrong.
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Trump would probably be much safer in prison.
That's it.
It's either a trump election win and civil war from him dismantling one too many of the elements of US government.
Or trump looses the election, incites a civil war, and the craziest actually do it.
Either way, as this even proves: Get. Your. Guns. Whilst you still can.
Why would Trump losing incite civil war? Who is going to take any weapons from anyone? Who is going to enforce the law? They aren't going to fight themselves. They want a civil war and they want the Dems to just make one mistake to cause it.
There is no way to say that there will be that many of them. There will be a few. But nothing on a scale of civil war. That's some dumb neck beard fantasy. If the Dems win it will be ok. Until the next 4 years.
Trump losing would throw the "stolen election" nonsense into overdrive. Hence the civil war.
I hear that. But who is going to enforce it? The cops? The army? I don't see that happening. They would attack themselves.
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You will find that civil wars in a digitalized surveillance state are very short lived and that the masses don‘t actually hold all that much power apart from the few things they‘re legally allowed to do. So unless tens of millions just stop showing up to work across the country, I don‘t see how the citizens have any leverage whatsoever once the election is over.
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Yeah lol. For me, I figured out it's because I blocked Ozma.
Chris Hedges tweet...
My thoughts on the assassination attempt on former President Trump:
The assassination of Trump would not remove the yearning of tens of millions of people, many conditioned by the Christian right, for a cult leader. Most of the leaders of the Christian right have built cult followings of their own. These Christian fascists embraced magical thinking, attacked their enemies as agents of Satan and denounced reality-based science and journalism long before Trump did. Cults are a product of social decay and despair, and our decay and despair are expanding, soon to explode in another financial crisis.
The efforts by the Democratic Party and much of the press, including CNN and The New York Times, to discredit Trump, as if our problems are embodied in him, are futile. The smug, self-righteousness of this crusade against Trump only contributes to the national reality television show that has replaced journalism and politics. This crusade attempts to reduce a social, economic and political crisis to the personality of Trump. It is accompanied by a refusal to confront and name the corporate forces responsible for our failed democracy. This collusion with the forces of corporate oppression, which have impoverished the working class, fostered endless war, militarized our police, created the largest prison system in the world, licensed corporations to exploit the most vulnerable and transferred wealth upwards into the hands of a billionaire class, neuters the press, Trump's critics and the Democratic Party.
Our only hope is to organize the overthrow of the corporate state that vomited up Trump. Our democratic institutions, including the legislative bodies, the courts and the media, are hostage to corporate power. They are no longer democratic. We must, like resistance movements of the past, engage in acts of sustained mass civil disobedience, especially strikes, and non-cooperation. By turning our ire on the corporate state, rather than Trump, we name the true sources of power and abuse. We expose the absurdity of blaming our demise on demonized groups such as undocumented workers, Muslims, African-Americans, Latinos, liberals, feminists, gays and others. We give people an alternative to a bankrupt Democratic Party -- whose presidential candidate is in clear cognitive decline -- that is a full partner in corporate oppression and cannot be rehabilitated. We make possible the restoration of an open society. If we fail to embrace this militancy, which alone has the ability to destroy cult leaders, we will continue the march toward tyranny.
source: https://x.com/ChrisLynnHedges/status/1812526737982726267
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New York Post is the first to identify the shooter. Not linking it here because, well, New York Post... but it is being floated out there on non-social media.
Edit CNN is speaking to Evan Perez, Senior US Justice Department Correspondant, confirming the information first reported by the New York Post.
Also on Reuters:
NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-rally-shooter-identified-rcna161757
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