I think this sends a much stronger message than stone henge
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Almost as if when you target the problem it sends a better message than doing some random shit.
Those idiots destroying paintings and monoliths belong behind bars. That won't convince anyone with even half a brain to think. Just destroys something and makes everyone angry.
yep. I can get behind this one
destroying paintings and monoliths
But... they didn't do either of those things. They threw soup at glass, and for the Stonehenge thing they used washable powder paint. They were publicity stunts with no damage done.
Going after a painting that's behind glass is VERY different to going after the stone henge that has no protective layer, and most importantly of all, has nothing to do with the target of their cause
saying it destroyed the stone henge is a major exaggeration, saying it did no damage is also just as wrong. The English heritage society emphasised that it was only no VISIBLE damage left, however they also said it did cause damage.
It's just like how you can't touch walls in caves because any change in the oils and stuff in our skins can cause long term damage even though there's no immediate visible damage
Hey, just went back to this conversation now that the UNESCO report claims that the highway construction project is putting Stonehenge in real danger. What's your opinion on that?
How do you think those rocks will fare when the average temperature rises a few degrees?
Do you think the big stones will avoid damage while humans are fighting wars over water?
Are those precious rocks going to be ok when countries near the equator become uninhabitable, and the UK has to violently defend its borders from millions of climate refugees?
Do you think it can still be considered a cultural heritage site after all the humans are dead?
I never once said I disagree with their message, but doesn't mean I need to agree with their methods
If their message is that oil is bad and that government should be doing more, they should be targeting oil companies, lobbyists, government officials, companies that have excess waste and chemical use (coke im looking at you)... Not heritage listed stuff that's mostly maintained by volunteers
They do that too.
If their message was anti whaling and they cut down trees as well as sabotaged boats, would you be "well they attack boats too so that's fine"?
Hear me out, painting private planes don't effect 98% of humanity not everyone has an interest in the arts.
And that's the kind of protest that people get behind.
Finally a great action from those folks!made my day.
They leveled up today.
Yeah, this I can get behind. Fuck those guys painting Stonehenge, but this? Yeah, go ahead.
Controversial opinion: whats the point of stonehenge if there is no humanity? Its not like it fosters some ecosystem or smth for other species, its a historical piece which holds sentimental value to us humans.
If we continue to use oil, we will for sure fuck up humanity. The act was controversial but the message needs to be looked at
If we're assuming that humanity will go extinct, then sure there's no point to stonehenge. But then there's also no point to a protest either.
If we're assuming humanity isn't going extinct, then there is a point to preserving stonehenge and there's also a point to having these protests.
Seems like there's a logic fail happening here where there's no point to preserving stone henge for the future but there is still a point to a protest about preserving things for the future.
Yeah but protesting has a lot better odds at improving that future than Stonehenge I'd argud
There's zero chance that protesting Stonehenge will improve the future, they're just rocks.
Protesting an oil refinery might have better odds tho.
Zero change is pretty damn impressive confidence intervals, and oil refineries are much easier to cover things up/rewrite the story at
Even easier to rewrite history when someone is attacking something like Stonehenge. "Just a bunch of idiots that don't really care about the problem, they're just trying to get attention for themselves." And is that all that far from the truth? IT is 100% about getting attention the only thing that's debatable is whether it's attention for the cause or attention for themselves.
The problem isn't that people don't know global warming exists, the problem is they don't care. Sure, being an asshole gets you attention, but it doesn't influence anyone to help with a cause. So whatever their intent, these kinds of actions are just selfish attention seeking.
So you want them to break into a secure facility and probably get federal charges instead of some rocks?
Cause these rocks are special rocks to you?
We're not going to die from climate change. Screw up the environment? Sure. But humans have the capability to literally live in space, on the moon, and soon enough, mars.
*while supported from Earth.
We don't have second Earth to be supported from.
The guys doing Stonehenge at least tried. They used a powder they thought would just come off in the rain.
Did it not come off?
The Stone Henge people are saying that the water, lichen, and powder would have reacted badly. I do not have the education to know if that's true or not.
They’re probably just a bunch of upset babies blowing everything out of proportion, of course they would go to the most unlikely and extreme outcome.
It's literally rocks. You're valuing human life less than rocks, I think that says more about you than them.
How is this dangerous to human life in any way? They did this to the plane while it was in the ground. Presumably someone is going to clean it before attempting takeoff, and I doubt a new paint job is going to severely impact the safety of the airplane regardless. I mean I guess if they somehow clogged all the static ports it would be a problem, but that's not particularly likely and only really a deadly situation if you take off at night or with less than competent pilots. Those are supposed to be checked before every flight regardless.
You got my point backwards boss. The climate protestors care, the people bugging about rocks don't care about human life, they care about rocks that have historically been vandalized to make a point literally hundreds of times.
You might want to go and tell that to the people down voting your comment. Clearly people are not understanding what you put, an edit might be in order.
I'm not particularly bothered by down votes, to me it sorta weeds out bad faith actors anyway.
This is a case of you failing to communicate though. Not bad faith actors or whatever.
It makes perfect sense.
"It's literally rocks.." Whats just rocks? Stonehenge!
"You're valuing human life less than rocks, I think that says more about you than them."
What are the protestors protesting for? Climate change.
Ie. If vandalizing Stonehenge is a bigger issue to you than climate change then you're valuing human life less than rocks.
It could not be any more clear and I think that's pretty evident based on the lack of offering a better wording.
It sounded like you are comparing the stonehenge protest to the one with the planes, not with climate change. Safety is critical in aviation, so it might sound dangerous to people that the planes were painted. I would instead say something like "they are valuing literal rocks over the lives of people claimed by climate disasters". Then it's clear you are talking about climate change in the second instance, and not the people flying the plane.
How? Are planes just rocks? Are people?
No. You still don't get it. People think you are comparing stone henge (just rocks) to human lives (potential air disaster from painting a plane and damaging something). Rather than the human lives being lost from climate change.
I legitimately can't tell if you are legitimately struggling to understand or you are one of the bad faith actors you talk about.
How?! Neither I nor the comment I replied to mentioned planes the only way you could make that jump is if you didn't bother to read the chain and instead jump to conclusions based on limited context and the title of the article.
They’re rocks as well. They’ll be fine. A little paint doesn’t destroy them like temperatures do to the planet.
Insanely stupid take
Just remember, you took time out of your day to seek someone out and act twatty. Good job, keep it up.
No, I read a dumb comment and spent a few seconds saying that it was dumb. Nice try though.
That's still taking time out of your day and finding something to be a douchebag about, contribute to the conversation or keep your mean bully bullshit to yourself.
Hear me out. Why don't we spray StoneHenge on the private jets ? one stone at a time, with old fashioned trebuchets
Wait a minute, that doesn't sound like painting at all!
No one ever said you can't paint with a trebuchet. Sounds very artistic