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I am an Indian and I have noticed that Indians are way too proud of their country for some reason and at the same time lack any civic sense towards it, they are extremely loud and extremely proud. We feel like the world revolves around India and our culture is superior to that of others. Also, a considerable chunk of the population has been sold the "India is a world-leader" myth and they think India is somehow leading the world in innovation, science and technology, human development etc.,

Now, I know for a fact that this is not true, when I try to gauge the perception of Indians abroad on Twitter, I get pretty negative results, but Twitter has nothing good to say about any group of people, so... I kinda wanted to know what you people though of India, don't base it upon the etnic Indians who might be your friends and are decent people, but base it upon the news you read, the stories you hear from those Indians, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

I view India as a rising power that has the potential to rival China and the USA. I think the culture is backwards in many ways and advanced in others. I don't like your current administration, but I do think India overall has interesting politics. I mean, you guys have an active Maoist insurgency. Pretty wild for the 21st century.

I tend to get along well with Indians I meet in the states. I appreciate India long history and cultural impact (Buddha came from India for example). There were democracies in India before Athens was a thing.

All in all India's a rising power with a lot of potential. Unfortunately I don't think they will reach China-status anytime soon because they don't exercise as much central control as China does.

In some ways this is good, Cultural Revolution wasn't exactly a great experience for a lot of people. But in other ways it means the Indian government doesn't have the power to reshape India in a way where it can successfully rival the European powers.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

So speaking as an American, the Indian diaspora here is typically thought of positively, at least in the sense they tend to be responsible members of the community.

Unfortunately, Americans are pretty geopolitically ignorant, and so end up developing views on countries based on the behavior of their American communities.

So I would say most Americans impression of India is “vaguely positive”. This notably includes at least tacit approval from American conservatives, in that Indians are left off their “which minority group are we targeting today” bingo card.

This is probably mutually reinforcing with America’s geopolitical priorities, which is essentially deepening ties with India as a counterbalance to China.

As to your “too proud of your country” comment, obviously as an American I sympathize, but they’re not wrong in that because of your country’s size and growth, India will become more prominent in global affairs.

Unfortunately as you’ve noticed, that leads to some people having an inflated view of themselves. It’s just something you have to live with as a world power.

Anyway, the below article actually answers your question, and overall, generally positive is the answer (but what did you guys do to South Africa though?)

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2023/08/29/international-views-of-india-and-modi/

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Too many cultures/languages in a large space, they should split into smaller countries, it's like judging Europeans from knowing some Brits, but

– People with money are very arrogant, selfish and wasteful – Many clingy/creepy people that keep talking to you when no longer appropriate – Headbobbing – Mostly friendly, sometimes too polite – Workaholics – Always complaining about their parent's high expectations – Lots of IT workers who know what they learned to do step by step but it's like they don't know why they do what they do – Pretty condescending to other Indians from other regions – The usual: good but spicey food, hot weather, corruption, expensive weddings, overcrowded but still mass producing babies

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

From afar, I love the food. I’d love to visit and learn more about the country but as a woman I don’t feel safe going there.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I think it has a rich history and culture. That being said, I've never been, but the news that comes from there doesn't make me form a good opinion. I always hear about horrific sex crimes against women, or gang rapes, or murders. I'm certainly not going to say that's all they do, but that's the bulk of news I hear about it. I hear about the scam centers that seemed to be baked into society. I hear about the caste system, the lack of cleanliness and infrastructure, I hear about the overcrowding. Yes, I hear that they work towards better tech, but the news I hear from there has places India squarely on the "Do not visit" list.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I wonder in what ways does India believe they are the world leader of anything? India is just another country America outsources things to. Its way over crowded, weather is insane and the people seem to be stuck in the past in terms of acceptable hygiene and women's rights.

That being said, i still would love to eat some indian food and witness India's culture as a tourist.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I wonder in what ways does India believe they are the world leader of anything?

They see the outliers in this system and think that is the norm. i.e., Out of 1.4 billion people, there must be many people who are extremely successful abroad (and are very famous) and Indians think that is the norm and the fact that there are some so many successful people abroad shows that our culture is superior. It really makes sense if you stop thinking about it lol.

And there are some random events happening in such a big country that if you are in an ecosystem of Indian uncles or you haven't really grown up from metal age of 12, you begin to think the world revolves around us and we are a superpower.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I wonder in what ways does India believe they are the world leader of anything? India is just another country America outsources things to.

Haha the exact opposite of the comment I posted. America is not the centre of the world.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

I'm pretty indifferent to India. They do have cool stuff, but they also have... not so cool stuff. All in all, it's India.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Far too overpopulated in most parts, with all negative societal and environmental effects. Huge disparity between poor country and rich city. Has a space programme and developed industry and science. Calls itself the biggest democracy but isn't one.

Is this correct?

We feel like the world revolves around India and our culture is superior to that of others.

Welll ok, i'm swiss and think so too. Probably most countries/cultures think this of themselves. I know from Manga that Japan and South Korea do too. And from Reddit/Lemmy for Americans.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Probably most countries think so of themselves.

Funnily enough, Romanians are the exact opposite in this regard. Romanians tend to think that Romania is terrible, backwards, and filled with awful people. That isn't exactly the case (like any country, it has it's pros and cons, and there's a lot we need to work on) but it is how they tend to see it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Is this correct?

Yeah, pretty much. I am not sure what you mean by it isn't the biggest democracy, it kinda is the biggest democracy, but people place way too much emphasis on it. People don't seem to have a mind of their own, they act in groups and are very tribal, so it's probably not the most effective democracy.

Probably most countries/cultures think this of themselves

being accepting of your own nationality is good, but I have a problem with people being too proud of shitty things. We are too ok with who we are as a country and that's not conducive to progress.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I visited India back in 2008 and I loved it! However, since then I have realized that I am transgender, so I probably won't go back unless the culture shifts toward being more friendly to queer people. That sours my taste for the country, unfortunately. I also escape fundamentalist Christianity, so I am very suspicious of fundamental and conservative religion, which I perceive as having a strong presence in India.

I don't see India leading in innovation or technology. I see China, Japan, South Korea and the US as being leaders that way. I do see India as up and coming due to its population spike, it definitely feels like development is happening fast!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

I hope that India doesn’t make the same mistakes my county (America) made, such as trying to be a major international player while ignoring the people in need at home. They’re already going that way, but there’s time to change course.

Also, I’d like them to fix their issues with Pakistan. That border was drawn by the British specifically to cause problems, and falling into that trap is letting the previous colonizers win.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I can speak to an unfortunate trend where our country (US) imports poorly trained Indian medical doctors who provide poor people with shitty medical care. This is a whole industry. I was exposed to it while working in the medical imaging field and I'm sure that it kills poor people in this country every day. Both of the most blatant criminal abuses coming from medical doctors that I was personally close to (one committed insurance fraud by performing unnecessary heart surgery on patients who DID NOT NEED IT the other sexually assaulted women on his examining table) also were, sadly, Indians.

It's MUCH easier to get a medical degree in India than it is in America, if you're high caste. Meaning high caste students in India who would NOT pass medical school in America become doctors all the time and then immigrate.

Once you have that MD after your name, in terms of legally establishing a private practice in America, your Indian MD is just as good as one from Harvard or Colombia. And Insurance companies FUCKING LOVE YOU because you charge 70% what the guys from Harvard or Colombia charge. They have programs in the Insurance industry to help reach out to immigrating Indian doctors and get them into network with the Insurance providers.

So I had a job travelling all over the US setting up, repairing and supporting medical imaging computers for private practices and what I saw in 4 out of 5 Indian owned clinics was

  • Dirty facilities.
  • Old, poorly maintained equipment (I have stories about having to support 5.25 inch floppy drives in 2010).

I also saw

  • People sent away with unanswered questions / incomplete diagnosis because the doctor only had 20 minutes for each patient.
  • Doctors who spoke English so poorly their patients could not understand what they were being told (especially when said doctors were treating Mexican people who spoke English as a second language anyway).
  • A doctor who berated an autistic woman because she was moving too slowly and he had lots of other patients to see.
  • Not to mention doctors failing to understand some of the basic functions of the medical imaging tech I was supporting for them in ways that were disturbing like "You have the tools here to provide a higher level of care to your patients but you DON'T KNOW HOW to use them."
  • Also lots of doctors that were arrogant and dismissive towards me, a highly skilled engineering professional.

I got to contrast this with a couple of black doctors in the South who had shabby clinics in old buildings and old poorly maintained equipment but ENTIRELY different attitudes towards their patients and LOTS of white and Asian doctors who run the kind of clean, modern clinics I myself as a white collar professional from a privileged background had previously taken for granted.

I want to be VERY clear this is NOT a race thing. It is a socio-economic / cultural problem.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

They try to scam you on the phone and their movies suck or are impossible to take seriously. Is a parody of Hollywood. And Hollywood is already a parody of former Hollywoodland.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

I find Bollywood movies to be quite enjoyable if you go into it with the expectation that it's basically live-action anime.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The two things that I think of when I think of India are that it's way too overpopulated and also way too hot.

Aside from that, there are a lot of academics I've seen from India that are genuinely helpful on YouTube but also a lot of scams. Speaking English with an Indian accent almost instantly creates a sense of distrust in Americans simply with how many times we each personally have received scam calls or talked to someone in an Indian call center who swears their name is 'Derek Johnston' or other similarly fabricated name.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

I really like the food, movies and most people I've met from India are extremely nice.

What I don't like is the huge inequality, treatment of women and the lack of hygiene in the big cities.

It's definitely a country that has been on it's way up for a while now, things could be really good for India in the future.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

My basic view of India is of a super diverse country with a fascinating history and cultures, and really great food. Politically I see a country that unfortunately is leaning in a more authoritarian direction as time goes one, and one that is getting increasingly unequal to its inhabitants. I really think India has so much potential but little will to actually improve.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I had my biases, due to the large number of tech support scammers from India... Until my mother got scammed by chiropractors, and my whole family (including me) got their teeth mutilated by a malpracticing dentist in the US trying to profit off unnecessary dental proceedures. Scammers are everywhere there's corruption; they just take different forms.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Speaking of unnecessary dental procedures: veneers… hoo boy, so many people (especially celebrities) get them unnecessarily, and permanently fuck up their teeth as a result.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Sadly, I have nothing good to say, other than the food is delicious.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Extremely dirty. Why does nobody care about all the shit and litter out there? What caused such ignorance to form?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Culturally, not a fan, for many reasons others have mentioned - and the whole caste system thing tends to sour a lot of the otherwise positive aspects.

That said, the food is EXCELLENT, and that must not be overlooked.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I hear that India is fun for parties and weddings, but also that it's extremely dirty and a dangerous place to visit. I'm a man, but I especially wouldn't want to be a white woman visiting, I've seen videos of how they'll stare with no regard for how she feels - Indian men have a very poor reputation when it comes to how they act towards European/US women.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Send bobs.

But seriously I can’t help but think of the good foods. I’m curious if India does food diplomacy like Thailand does.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

My general impression is that India are really good at scientific innovation and so on but only because the incredible inequality allows India to channel its resources so that it can be on par with other countries a fraction it's size.

If they did the work required to lift the poor regions out of poverty, and sometimes just straight up feudalism, the country would become a proper superpower with far reaching cultural impact but right now India seem to slide further into Hindu nationalism so now it's more of a worry for everyone else if India became another dictatorship like china.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I know very very little about India, but it seems like the country is going the neoliberal route of Amerika, bringing some limited wealth, but a heap ton of poverty and stress/competition for those who do have a job. I admire India for their educational system, how hard working and responsibly their citizens are, and how much their country has grown since independence (a difficult feat).

I know that not every Indian is a BJP member, but that's gotta be ~~embarrassing~~ frustrating as MAGA is in the US. I've seen some center-right Indian friends go hard right these last few years. This seems to be everywhere now, though, not just India.

Don't at me, this is from a place of profound ignorance.

Edit: changed a word so I don't come off like a racist prick

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

All of this is IMHO so keep that in mind.

Politically it's pretty extremist from what I can tell. Not just that but support for that extreme political stance is also rather high. Neithe of which is a good thing in my book. Other news I get to know about also tend to paint a pretty grim picture when it comes to human rights, rich/ poor divide and acceptance of people who have different preferences. I also mostly remember having met people how you described in the opening.

To say how it is, my opinion is not exactly good. Primarily because of how they act a d their political choices. Though I chalk some of that up to a lack of education. And it's also not so bad that I'd rather not deal with them. Just that I have a healthy dose of " oh no, not one of those guys again. This will get exhausting, isn't it" whenever I see someone that fits the description.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

BJP/RSS - right wing fundamentalist zealots have taken over India. It's gross, it's dangerous and frightening. It's what we hope America will not become with Trump and Heritage types.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

A massive tangle of diverse kingdoms that have never quite hit their full potential. Current political situation is grim and disappointing and I am not particularly optimistic for them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (12 children)

Honestly, off the top of my head I often like the people who come to England but as far as the country itself I don’t really think about it much. First thoughts are that it’s a massive country that’s heavily polluted and kinda obsessed with making money without much care for how they do it, such as how much of the world is making sacrifices to stop buying gas from Russia but India’s just undermining their good intentions for profit. I think if Pakistan invaded they’d expect the whole world to rally around them.

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