Almost like we should focus on making the US better / competitive instead of trying to succeed by blocking others.
Don't we get a ton of components and raw materials required for EVs from China already?
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Almost like we should focus on making the US better / competitive instead of trying to succeed by blocking others.
That's against the interests of the u.s capitalists.
Don't we get a ton of components and raw materials required for EVs from China already?
Yes but they get shoved into dogshit u.s cars who's prices are raised many times more than the cost it was to make the damn things to scalp the average American of more of their dwindling wealth
That's why German automakers are pissed off with the EU Commission lol
They want to compete, but von der Leyen doesn't let them.
Bit difficult when you're paying one part time worker $50b a year.
haha, ya... Such well placed money there.
America literally manufactures cars in China but wants to ban chinese cars. America ruthlessly attacks anything that threatens its world domination one bit. Death to America.
Almost like we should focus on making the US better / competitive instead of trying to succeed by blocking others.
some japanese & korean automakers have teamed together to do that and i suspect that they'll be ahead of the curve of whatever the markets look like 10 years from now; meanwhile the the us and western europe is going to rely on tariffs that will only leave their automakers less prepared for what's coming.
The corporate christofascists and their GOP stooges are doing everything they can to stop electric vehicle production and adoption in the US. They're doing the same thing with renewable energy. It's all about keeping the money flowing to the rich for at long as possible no matter what the long term costs to the country, the planet, or the non-wealthy. Most ofter countries not run by corporate fascists are adopting EVs and renewable as fast as they can. The US is going to become a dirty, underdeveloped country run by theocratic dictators and there is very little that can be done to stop it and very little time to do it.
Okay not that I'm suggesting the GOP is any good, but Biden set a 100% import tax on Chinese EVs and sent Yellen to complain about the overproduction of Chinese renewables.
They both protect American megacorp interests because they are both lobbied by the same companies.
Biden is NOT a liberal or progressive. He's just less of a fascist than the GOP. He lives in a world where more than 100 million people swallow anything the GOP forces into their mouths.
The democrats are also a right-wing party, just less so than the republicans
This, 100%.
There's a false narrative that everything and everyone is either left or right, liberal or conservative, blue or red. But it's simply not the case.
There are a handful of leftists in the Democrat party, but the vast majority are right wing conservatives. The Overton window has shifted hard to the right and most of the Democrats shifted along with it.
A Democrat politician today would have been considered a right wing republican extremist 40 years ago.
he's less overtly open about being a fascist than the gop you mean
I thought the main problem was unfair competition from subsidized car makers. The same problem as de European car market.
Yeah, it's so unfair that China is subsidizing the green transition!
Also, are we just forgetting about the unfair competition from subsidized farmers in the US destroying Mexican farms and forcing them to travel north to do agricultural labor in the US?
The subsidies aren’t for the green transition, the subsidies are there to get more influence on the markets, and not just the car market. Outprice the competition…
And no I didn’t forget about “what about…”
Sadly both have a same goal. Both influence competition in a bad way.
Uh huh, then why aren't they subsidizing gas cars to the same extent?
Subsidizing electric cars is good and y'all need to stop making excuses.
They are subsidizing gas cars,… and fossil fuel production is also subsidized.
And yet their gas cars are not being sanctioned. Doesn't that strike you as strange? What's the difference?
No, because those aren’t a threat to the (western) car marked. The electric ones are.
And the fact that China is currently controlling the battery resources. Also seems to be an influence.
But please buy one if you want one.
So I'm not sure what you think my point was.
I'm not saying the US is attacking China for having a green transition. I know it's just to protect business interests.
That's just their cover story for their base. It's actually about protecting the US auto and oil and gas industries and keeping profits flowing to the right people.
countries not run by corporate fascists are adopting EVs
Yeah, like Kore- oh wait
Please America. Please scuttle NAFTA over your dinosaur pickup truck industry. Nothing would be funnier.
They'll just come up with some china exclusive work around law that's 700 pages and bundled with a bunch of draconian bullshit laws.
Damn sounds like the most equitable solution would be to ban car imports and domestic production. Starting a ~20year clock where the suburbs die on the vine without the huge fuel and unsustainable infrastructure subsidies that currently make them viable.
Ruthless capitalism for thee, protectionism for me
Maybe if US automakers were making fairly priced cars this wouldn't be an issue?
Good.
Well shit where can I get one?
BRB, hiring a coyote to smuggle a cool Chinese EV over the border to avoid tariffs.
Couldn't you just buy it in Mexico and drive it over?
You won't be able to drive them on the road unless the DoT has done safety testing on that specific model of car. You can own one, you're just not going to be able to put plates on it or get it insured.
You can drive it across the border if it has Mexican plates though.
I've seen models of cars not sold in the US far from the border with Mexican plates.
i'm sure US cops wouldnt abuse someone driving a chinese car with mexican plates...
They probably might but people drive their cars with Mexican plates into the US all the time.
I think you just discovered the plot for The Fast and the Furious 10.
I can't believe that shit is still going. I never watched a single one of them.
But I looked it up and it seems like, at least some, Chinese hybrid SUVs in Mexico converting from current MXN to USD rate go for around $35-40k at their highest, premium tier. Some hybrid SUVs in the US at their bottom tier are currently $50k+. That's such a wild fucking difference. Thinking about it, you'd probably need an address in Mexico to register it and whatever but I don't see why or how they'd stop you at the border on the drive back home into the US. Not sure how maintenance or registration would go after that though, so maybe it's not sustainable unless you have a consistent Mexican address. I hope someone out there gets around the system and drives in their affordable, premium Chinese car in the US. Death to tariffs.
Ahhhhh, the old Walmart-Amazon--Kroger Maneuver...wonder where they learned that