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Bought a new pack of a hair product which now uses 6% less natural ingredients and is no longer vegan (lemmy.zip)
submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Matt" paste? Isn't it "matte" or am I taking crazy pills again?

Edit: What the fuck... It's spelled differently in the UK, the US, and Canada (where I'm from). It's matte in Canada, mat in US, and matt in the UK.

From the Government of Canada website: https://www.noslangues-ourlanguages.gc.ca/en/writing-tips-plus/matte-mat-matt

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure it's matte in the US, too

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Seconded. Literally have never seen it spelled mat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

"Mat" is a small rug usually for wiping shoes on. "Matt" is a boy's name, short for Matthew. "Matte" means the opposite of glossy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

You are showing them backwards - the NEW formulation is the one that says vegan. Did you buy the second one at Big Lots or something?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

My bet is on beeswax for the non-vegan ingredient.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

You would be right. I have the same packs. I don't know if I bought old stock, but I bought the pack with the blue lid recently, the black lid pack is older.

The black lid pack contains bee wax and more water than the blue lid pack (64% vs 57% of the natural ingredients).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Probably this and a synthetic emulsifier/surfactant or the like.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That would be vegan though

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It depends. Many vegans see any product that "exploits" animals as nonvegan. That includes things like down feathers, wool and honey.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not sure how Wool exploits animals, shearing sheep is good for their health as I understand it (keeping them from growing things, or getting too heavy/waterlogged to move and just... laying there and dying, amomgst other things.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Sheep are selectively bred for their wool. Before humans started doing so, wild sheep did just fine without the need for shearing. So it's pretty similar to milk in that if you don't milk a modern dairy cow it will suffer, that doesn't make milk an ethical product.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's no longer labeled vegan. A lot of producers actively avoid the label, despite the fact that the Vegan Society would provide their stamp of approval. I've heard somewhere putting it on your product lowers sales. All this to say, are you certain it's actually not vegan anymore?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

The reason the vegan label lowers sales is that smart people already read the product label, so they know it's vegan either way. Lazy people who don't like thinking need to be told that something is vegan. Vegans tend to be smart, and vegan-haters tend to hate thinking.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Have we just forgotten about the word "fewer" entirely at this point?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

It's not 6 fewer ingredients, it's 6% less of the total being naturally derived.

It's hilarious that you made an even dumber error in a try at correcting.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure that applies here. Generally, when measuring something, you use less. Like I wouldn't say , I just drank from my glass and it now has fewer waters in it. In this case, "natural ingredients" is a set of things that are being measured as a single "ingredient". Like let's say the natural ingredients are soot and berry juice. Would you say the paint has fewer or less soot and berry juice?

But then again language is all made up, the rules don't matter, and you're only truly wrong if the meaning is lost.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I can see that, but the plural "ingredients" still makes my gut say it should be fewer.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Poor matt

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

Matt's just fine, what do you think they made the paste out of? "Is that hair gel?"

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

I wouldn't even be surprised if this is just a shift in marketing. The "Vegan" label, in particular, has fallen out of style as more and more men become obsessed with meat-based diets.