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[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The permission from Mr. Biden is intended solely for Ukraine to strike military sites in Russia being used to attack the Kharkiv area, U.S. officials said.

kinda hard to not see this as a proxy war with russia with verbiage like this

[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I mean, it is. A years long war of attrition instead of full on boots on the ground is great business for everyone except Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago

Between this and Israel, the American military industrial complex is well fed and well employed. “More war” they say

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Obviously there's a proxy war between russia and the west in ukraine, but I don't think the US wants a long attritional war.

They could have done more to not end up in one, but I think escalation management really is driving a lot of decisions in washington.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Yeah, they probably told the Russians they were going to greenlight the Ukrainians way before they told the Ukrainians.

Which is tooth grindingly frustrating, but I can't fault Biden for his efforts to avoid nuclear exchange.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

Well, that's going to force Russia to do more damage faster with less discrimination.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Well it’s about damn time

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Mr. Biden’s decision appears to mark the first time that an American president has authorized limited military attacks on artillery, missile bases and command centers inside the borders of a nuclear-armed adversary.

White House officials insisted, however, that the authorization extended only to what they characterized as acts of self-defense, so that Ukraine could protect Kharkiv, its second-largest city, and the surrounding areas in the northeast from relentless fire from missiles, glide bombs and artillery shells from just over the border.

But The New York Times revealed last week that Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken had come back from a sobering trip to Kyiv and privately told the president that his 27-month-long ban against shooting American weapons into Russian territory was now placing parts of Ukraine in peril.

So had American allies: Britain weeks ago allowed Ukraine to use its Storm Shadow long-range missile systems for attacks anywhere in Russia, and France and Germany recently took the same position.

Mr. Biden deflected those requests for months, concerned that using American weapons could escalate the conflict — and put the United States into a direct confrontation with Russia.

The permission from Mr. Biden is intended solely for Ukraine to strike military sites in Russia being used to attack the Kharkiv area, U.S. officials said.


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