see how easy it is if you just treat protesters as human beings and listen to them
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The university did not agree to drop charges against forty students for rule violations, but the charged students themselves voted to accept the agreement under the belief that the overall offer was worth their own sacrifices.
Not including amnesty as a prerequisite is wildly irresponsible. What leverage do they have now? The board can simply say "no", and send the cops in to arrest anyone who tries to restart the protest.
This isn't negotiating, this is the students unilaterally giving up everything in exchange for... The ability to ask again, but quietly and in a circumstances where there is no consequences for saying no?
Then they'll have a situation no better than Columbia. The deal is we won't protest if you divest. If either party reneges on that deal we go back to where we were before the deal. That's the consequence of saying "no".
They will vote on the divestment in October. By then all of gaza will have been starved or bombed.
100%. That said, if divestment happened today, withholding Brown’s share wouldn’t be enough to get Netanyahu to stop bombarding Gaza. This is about principle, trust, and politics more so than ongoing support at this point.
Its true that the witholding of a couple bucks coming from brown university wouldnt do anything directly by itself. However it would still be a big political statement that would make for a decent political wakeup call, if coupled with dozens of other universities and entities doing the same.
So while this one protest by itself is not a huge loss, what it stands for is peoples willingness to watch people die, doing nothing until after its too late.
I would amend that to say that this is about the future and eventual end of the occupation. I think it's more material than you describe, but it's a slow process.
The occupation will end when Hamas is defeated. Both the US and Israel has made that clear
What are you talking about? The occupation includes the West Bank and East Jerusalem. It predated Hamas, and continues -- brutally -- in regions in which Hamas doesn't operate.
While the war in Gaza draws attention, folks in the West Bank have had homes firebombed with children inside and watched lynch mobs run whole towns off their land with military escorts. And that doesn't even get into how Palestinian citizens of Israel are treated inside Israel. They're legal citizens, but live with curtailed rights under a literal second-class of citizenship in a police state. They get disappeared, raped, and killed in prisons without charges over social media posts criticizing the government. What the hell does that have to do with Hamas?
We need to acknowledge that all these people are living under a military apartheid system, and demand negotiations for the formation of a democratic one-state solution. We already live in a one-state reality, just without civil rights for half the population.
The school's deal is that the board will say no to the students and then the school will be prepared to put down any further protests without issue.
If the school intended to meet the students demands and divest, they wouldn't need to charge 40 of them and get time to prepare to silence a future protest since there wouldn't be a future protest.
The school's ceasefire requirements are as serious as Israel's "you give up the hostages and disarm, then we maaay consider not resuming the genocide after 2 weeks" peace offers
If the Palestinians show anything, no justice, no peace comes to mind. Say Brown does this assuming the fire is still there, people won't stay silent for long. If a party chooses the path of the authoritarian they need to carry a pretty big stick. And even then, as Israel keeps showing, it doesn't work.
Also, if you follow some links in the article, Israeli divestment has been an big, ongoing movement at Brown. This isn't a flash in the pan. It's a big step forward along what has already been a long and brutal road.
It's not going away. And I truly believe that these students will win.
Lol I know how this goes. Boards of Trustees give zero fucks what students think about anything, they just need them to shut up right now.
That's a concern I share, but I think I'm the immediate moment, the activists have forced the university to break down a very significant barrier: their demands are legitimized by this. It becomes harder for other schools to justify a crackdown. And if this gets repeated, we move on to the next chapter of this story: university hearings across the country.
The goal is to change what is possible and put pressure on Israel and it's material bankers. A large number of hearings does that. Crackdowns don't really hurt the war effort or the profits of the military industrial tech complex.
It's going to require a lot more pressure, but if this is not winning this particular battle, I'm not sure what that looks like.
Idiots. You gave up literally all you're leverage for the chance to just speak to the board that merely advises the president on investments in 6 months time, when most people will have forgotten this and you won't have the nation-wide momentum? And you didn't even get charges dropped?
Absolutely fucking braindead. Like you just wasted ALL the effort of every student involved in this to do Absolutely nothing.
You know, you're welcome to disagree on tactics, but I must ask you to show a bit of respect.
These protestors put themselves in danger. They made sacrifices for a cause you care about. Time may prove their tactics to have been in error, but they are not "braindead" "idiots" who accomplished "absolutely nothing".
They know their situation better than you. They put their bodies and futures on the table, and they alone get to decide what trades they want to make. You are welcome to your opinion on what tactics others should use, and you are welcome to make your choice about what to do when it's your ass on the front lines. But I don't think you have any business talking big shit about people who are out there carrying the heavy loads.
Did you guys see the news? Prime Minister Netanyahu of Israel just announced that they are fully withdrawing out of Palestine, and doing whatever they need to do to create peace with the Palestinian people because some kids at Colombia were protesting! It worked guys!
You clearly don’t understand what’s going on.
Mom said it's my turn with the brain cell