This will be hugely destabilizing. Terrible.
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Possibly, but it's the president not the supreme leader. The President is the "Head of Government", but the Supreme Leader is Head of State so who knows how much this will actually shake things up
Probably not at all. I'm no expert on Iran, but I'm pretty sure I've never heard about the president of Iran on the news at all. Ayatollah Khamenei, on the other hand, plenty of times.
What? The president is definitely mentioned in the news. The Ayatollah is more important but he doesn't do everything alone. Also this president was a candidate to be the next Ayatollah.
I agree, while the head of state is the more important and powerful position, the president certainly isn't exactly powerless and handles the day to day business of government. But calling the leader the Ayatollah is slightly misleading. While it's a requirement in the constitution that the head of state be an Ayatollah, Ayatollah itself is a religious rank, not a political one. So there are many Ayatollahs around, even more since the revolution as many believe that the rank has become somewhat inflated.
From other stuff I've read tonight, the pres and the SL were both pretty much sharing the sane agenda, so I really doubt this will shake stuff up, much.
Can you elaborate on why this would be destabilizing? I mean obviously the president dying is bad, but are there specific groups that are in positions to do anything to cause problems due to this? Wouldn't there be someone under him in the chain of command or another election that could be held?
I do not know very much about Iran's internal politics beyond a basic synopsis, I'm just looking for some info.
Depends on the circumstances of why the helicopter crashed. If it was an accident, some maintenance issue, pilot error or medical emergency or something, then it won't be too bad.
If there's some evidence of sabotage or a deliberate attack then hold onto your hat because prime suspect #1 is going to be the Mossad.
This is how I see it too. It’s probably not gonna be a huge deal in the long run, unless there is evidence of sabotage. I suppose it’s also possible that they could pretend to have evidence if they’re looking for a casus belli, but based on recent events I don’t think they’re looking to escalate if they don’t feel they have to.
Spoiler for Homeland TV show
! Reminds me of the last season of Homeland
Supporting mass murderers in the name of "stability" is just supporting mass murderers.
I never said I support him.
Then what is terrible?
All the people who will suffer and probably die as a result of the instability. Do you think that the world gets better when evil men die?
Likely.
Germany ended just fine after Hitler demise.
But you probably mean very near future.
They actually spent quite a few years (50, give or take a few) snapping back so hard the other direction the government was taking children from non-native Germans and giving them to pedophiles to rape for their whole childhood. So yes Hitler dying was good but instability will most always lead to more suffering.
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So you are arguing that things would be better off if Hitler had won? That's your actual, sincere argument here? That evil people exist, but killing them results in geopolitical instability so it is terrible when they die?
And you're citing some fringe pedophile psychologist the 60's? I know that you literally just learned about him here on Lemmy because a post about him recently went viral too. Absolutely nothing about the wiki suggests that Hitler's death had anything to do with his disturbed experiments.
Fuck that. Kill fascists. The constant right-wing deferral to pedophilic disgust is a tactic most of us recognize now. Your weird defense of Hitler here is just an especially egregious example of this.
I don't think he's defending Hitler.
Never said that, I wish Hitler was killed much sooner. Germany wasn't just perfectly fine after though, obviously agreed it was better than nazi germany, but issues arise out of instability. Which was being denied.
And I'm less concerned about what this weird pedo was doing individually, moreso the government corruption that allowed for it and many similar cases for decades. But I guess you don't want to protect children from rapists
Terrible? What the fuck is wrong with you?
That poor helicopter.
Probably the first ever helicopter crash that everyone hoped no one survives.
May Raisi burn in hell with "Virgins" that all resemble the thousands he sent to death.
I think "feared" is overstating it a bit
5 pieces! He's still good!.… No Bobby, I fear he's dead....
That's one hell of a "rough landing"
Publically hoping for the best but quietly preparing for the worst.
No, he was feared when he was alive. Most people actually celebrate his death...
If it comes out that Israel did this it's going to be a Gavrillo Princep moment
If they think themselves to be prepared for it they can report Israel did this even if it was truly a maintenance issue
Be interesting to put the pieces together. Israel is sharp, they’d never do it without implicating the US.
Didn't you know that Israel is responsible for every helicopter that crashed because a pilot decided to fly in unsafe conditions?
Yeah, it's not like Israel just assassinated some Iranian generals a few weeks ago, or that they routinely operate on the ground in Iran:
Unlikely as it may sound, it’s not the first time Mossad has claimed to have undertaken such an operation. In fact, this is the third such case in the last eighteen months. In April 2022, Israeli media reported on an alleged Mossad operation on Iranian territory. Israeli intelligence agents had reportedly detained and questioned Mansour Rasouly, a fifty-two-year-old IRGC agent, in his residence in Iran, where he had confessed to a plan to assassinate an Israeli diplomat in Turkey, an American general stationed in Germany, and a journalist in France. The Israeli media published an audio file of Rasouly’s confession without revealing their source.
Months later, in July 2022, London-based diaspora satellite channel Iran International claimed that Mossad had interrogated another IRGC official, Yadollah Khedmati, in Iran, publishing the footage of his confessions about the transfer of weaponry to Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and Yemen.
Let's wait until we have evidence before we jump to conclusions. Just because a thought aligns with our biases doesn't make it true.
Oh, sure. I'm just saying that it's reasonable to raise it as a possibility.
Nah, actually he's fucking dead. No fearing, we know now he's did dead.