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That's right, get piped Youtube!

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ironic that this comes from reddit and is watermarked with reddit ad

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Next time stamp an imgur label on it, like a traveller's suitcase full of stickers of places it's been.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (7 children)

To the YouTube apologists in this thread, where were you when there were no ads?

For years YouTube allowed content creators to post videos without any ability to monetize, and they harvested your data and sold it while they did.

Where were you then you hypocrites?

Now, YouTube provides the worst possible solution to monetisation, removes existing affordable ad free tiers, and sells your data without sharing the proceeds to creators.

You're bootlickers. Get out of your armchair and actually help content creators instead of giving your cash to a company who syphons off most of it to further abuse you and creators you like.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

For years YouTube allowed content creators to post videos without any ability to monetize, and they harvested your data and sold it while they did.

Let me preface this by saying fuck YouTube. But they were losing money on YouTube during this time on purpose. They weren't actually making enough money to run the site by selling data alone. Their long game was to starve out any potential competition because they knew nobody else had enough capital to just give the same product away for free. The plan worked, hence their monopoly on Internet video hosting. Ever since they've been introducing more and more shitty limitations, ads, and anti consumer bullshit simply because they can. Google's monopolies really need to be broken up. Let me end this by saying fuck YouTube, and fuck Google, too.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which is what pisses me off. If Google is so money hungry here, why not raise the rates on advertisers instead? Not like these multibillion dollar companies like Coke, Pepsi, Apple, etc have anywhere else to go for advertising online with a large audience exposure. If people have to watch ads, keep it minimal on the viewer and maximize it on the advertisers.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

According to the principle of enshittification:

Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die.

So currently we are on step 2: abusing their users. When they start abusing the business customers as you suggest, they will be on step 3 and one step closer to death.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here's the thing. Cory Doctorow is almost 100% spot on with the first 3 things. The last one, however, is pure copium. Those platforms died, yes, but they died in a very different era of the internet.

There was a time where people jumped ship with abandon and routinely visited cool, new websites every other week. This is the time that I like to call the "big liquid" internet. The internet was popular, yes, but every day people spent a little more time on it than on t.v. and other kinds of popular entertainment - in other words, popular but still growing. Websites like Digg, if they fucked up and just straight up ruined user experience, would die as a result of enshittification. The internet was cutthroat, and the quality of your service mattered. If people didn't like your website, they were going to leave.

We don't live in that era of the internet anymore. We're in the era of the "big solid" internet. People don't go to "new websites" anymore. They don't jump platforms. They don't abandon and adopt. If they're kids, they go where their friends are - probably Twitter/X or TikTok. Maybe reddit. If they're old users they're on instagram and Facebook. It doesn't really matter how bad those platforms get, because the quality of the service is not really important. It's that they don't have anywhere else to go or anything else to do.

There is no more exploration or adventure to the internet as we once understood it. That's why Google has waited so fucking long to enshittify their most popular product: it's because you're locked in. There is no competition, because the competition died or was killed off a long time ago.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I agree with a slight caveat. You're right that the internet of today is more forgiving of platforms that enshittify. "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face -- forever." -literally 1984, where the boot is advertising and the human face is consumers' attention.

So we may be stuck at phase 3 for a while, where the consumers and the businesses are getting screwed over by internet platforms. But although the technological environment is changing more slowly, it's still changing and "with strange aeons even death may die". When the platforms inevitably die, enshittification will be part of the analysis why.

Of course in the meantime the internet platforms make money for one set of people, and other people's lives are made crappier because of it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I used to have a pixel art tut on YouTube, about 30k views. as they kept changing their terms as the time went by, in my disfavor, and in the user's disfavor, I deleted the video. fuck them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Havent done too much research but I'd suggest uploading that tut to a YouTube alternative, be it peertube, rumble, or kick

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What even is the first part of this? Where were people? They were using the service while it hemorrhaged money. Now they’ve moved past that to increasing revenue. That period was never going to last. Where’s the hypocrisy? What’s the uniform position these people have according to you?

It’s also rich how you assume everyone has enough to make meaningful contributions to every creator they watch on their own.

I would go a different direction and say that if, beyond the excessive amount, you just can’t stand that ads exist on the platform then you are entitled and think free content is your right.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I wasn't talking about giving YouTube money, I was talking about giving creators money. Suddenly we must support the racket to give creators money according to many. I ask: where were they when there was no racket? Certainly not giving to creators. So we must only pay creators if we must also pay the content host? What nonsense.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Does reddit watermark their images now like tiktok?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

when i used the default app it was just a bar at the bottom saying where and who posted it

and some people put reddit watermarks on their memes

though it might be something new since ive stopped using reddit

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I assume based on this image.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't hear over all the adfree yt content I watch via newpipe and freetube

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just deleted Chrome and switched back to Firefox

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're not the only one I've seen. It's pretty entertaining that Google's decision to neuter adblock plugins in Chrome then deploying anti-adblock measures on Youtube is pushing folks off Chrome.

Welcome back to Firefox. :)

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I use NewPipe on my android phone and SmartTube (previously called SmartTubeNext) on my android tv.

Both are super simple to install and use and neither suffer from the extreme lag that federated frontends like Piped, Invidious and LibreTube often do..

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I use revance on my phone just because I also used Vanced before it was taken down, works like a charm as well, with background play, Sponsorblock and everything

Edit: update URL

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This site that you linked is sketchy. Revanced isn't supposed to give pre-made apk files. That's how they get away from takedowns

Edit- this is the real link. https://revanced.app

Never download premade apks

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ngl, I've been considering just taking the plunge (no pun intended, it is a good one though) and just exporting all my subscriptions and watching everything on piped.video. that way I get a curated feed of content I enjoy (which is what I already like about lemmy), and be able to curb my youtube shorts addiction into the ground with it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

it's just better even as UI. you can pick all the settings:

  • set default video resolution
  • autoplay
  • allow/skip ads
  • allow/skip sponsor messages
  • play audio only
  • hide suggested vidya/comments/description (toggle)
  • dark mode
  • no tracking
  • no email required for account
  • toggle shorts on/off
  • should homepage be trending or subscription feed?

I mean what the hell else can you want?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I've done this. I use Piped on Desktop and Phone and use SmartTube on my Chromecast

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I did this with freetube

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Let me get all the hate.

No ads= no income for the YouTube content creators. "But you can support them directly" But do you? I guess 0.1% of viewers buy merch or donate or are patreo subscribers. How do you want to get good content on YouTube without anyone paying for it? Can't be mad if the content is getting worse and the sponsor messages are getting more and more.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

In the past, I didn't block ads on YouTube for the reason you describe. The amount has increased so much over the last couple of years that I had to start - multiple unskippable ads before a video are just not acceptable.

Instead I subscribe to Patreons (which I swap around every couple of weeks depending on who I watch the most).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Sucks to suck. I refuse to be advertised at.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Most YT creators are getting most of their money from the sponsors they promote. YT ads suck for revenue unless you're gigantic and with how yt will demonetize you for literally anything it's too unreliable too be sustainable.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I only started when a 1:00 video had 0:30 unskippable ads at the beginning and another 0:30 at the end. If the ad is more than the video why bother watching the ads.

I've also had moments were I wanted to see 1 specific point for a couple seconds, but just have to watch unskippable ads before I can scroll to the part I wanted to check (like a tutorial part).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

get newpiped YouTube!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've been using revanced and I love it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

ADGUARD FOR DESKTOP! LOAD IT WITH THE ANTI-ADBLOCK KILLER USER SCRIPT!

Sorry! I have Tourette's syndrome...I can't help but scream random shit, usually software names at the top of my lungs

REPORT THE WEBSITE AS "detected adguard" IF YOUTUBE SHOWS THE WARNING AGAIN!

FREETUBE!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well their real business model is making YouTube shitty with ads, and then offering YouTube Premium as the solution. Nice, you artificially create a problem, then provide a subscription plan.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I ran into revance issues, the solution turned out to be you need to use the recommended version of YouTube as the base... not the latest

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