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[–] [email protected] 243 points 5 months ago (7 children)

A spokesperson for SpartanNash, the parent company of Family Fare, said store employees responded “with the utmost compassion and professionalism.”

“Ensuring there is ample safe, affordable housing continues to be a widespread issue nationwide that our community needs to partner in solving,” Adrienne Chance said, declining further comment.

Warren said the woman was cooperative and quickly agreed to leave. No charges were pursued.

“We provided her with some information about services in the area,” the officer said. “She apologized and continued on her way. Where she went from there, I don’t know.”

I feel like there's very few opportunities these days to say this, but the cops and business owners in this situation actually seem to have behaved in a very humane and decent way here, so that's a nice surprise

[–] [email protected] 120 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I was 100% assuming she was arrested. Very relieving that's not what happened.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, it's messed up that nearly everyone from the US would read that headline and make the same assumption without batting an eye because we've been conditioned to expect nothing else from police. It sure would be nice if we lived in a country where policing was actually a civil service and not a damn street gang.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

Wat? She still alive?

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago (15 children)

cops and business owners in this situation actually seem to have behaved in a very humane and decent way

Well it's nice that they didn't beat her to death. But they still kicked her out and didn't actually provide any more help. "Services in the area" probably will be less adequate than what she'd had before they booted her.

I don't expect them to actually take care of her, but they don't get a gold star for declining to bludgeon, strangle, or imprison her. She's on her own.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 months ago (22 children)

I mean, I would add on not sticking her with a criminal charge as an important thing they didn't do here, because the whole story of "oh you missed a court date because we sent the notice to an address you haven't lived at in years, so now we're fining you on top of the original criminal charge that brought you in here, [soon] wow, you've got a lot of missed court dates and unpaid fines, you look like a career criminal who needs the book thrown at them" happens a lot,

And there's a very real chance that the contractors looked the other way and then this woman's residence got discovered they could have lost their licenses or otherwise gotten in trouble

Like, I think what you're pointing out is a really important perspective and we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that a woman with a home was made homeless here, but I think a lot of relatively powerless people here tried to be as humane as an inhumane system would let them be, and I think that's important too. I think the way this world gets less shitty is when more people start making these little steps towards revolutionary kindness and then those little steps start getting bigger and bigger.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago

This is where it’s at in the US: people feel a warm sense of happiness when a marginalized person isnt beaten to death or shot by authorities.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I agree it sucks, but they can't reasonably let her continue living there after they found out. There's so many legal and ethical issues with that. They are not qualified to provide housing. We need to provide better alternatives.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 5 months ago

Contractors curious about an extension cord on the roof of a Michigan grocery store made a startling discovery: A 34-year-old woman was living inside the business sign, with enough space for a computer, printer and coffee maker, police said.

“She was homeless,” Officer Brennon Warren of the Midland Police Department said Thursday

Sounds like she had a home you goddamn narcs

[–] [email protected] 58 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

“There are much better options”

She had private shelter, no rent, probably HVAC. about the only thing missing was a bathroom, but there’s no mention of any waste she could ha e left.

Sounds like a pretty good deal. Wonder what “better” is.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

No electric bills as well I imagine.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

She had an extension cord that they saw.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago

Boo. If you see that extension cord, no you didn't.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Not really "homeless" now is she?

[–] [email protected] 73 points 5 months ago (1 children)

She is now, since they kicked her out. She wasn't before that.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Setting aside whether they want her living in their sign, if they know that she's there and let her stay, I'm pretty sure that they have liability if there are problems. She was living on the roof of a building, no obvious way up or down, and if they say "sure, go ahead and stay" and she is climbing off the roof one night and falls, that's on them. Not to mention that I am pretty confident that a store-roof-sign is gonna violate a long list of code requirements for legal housing, from insulation to having a bathroom.

And even if you're gung-ho on the concept of relaxing liability and code for property owners who don't charge or something like that because you want a lower bar for homeless shelters or something, I am almost certain that the kind of place that they're gonna aim to permit isn't gonna be people living on a roof in a sign.

EDIT: Also, while I don't know the specifics of this store, it's apparently in a shopping center (and the article referenced that she may have climbed up from other commercial buildings, so they're probably adjoining). I think that the way those work is that the stores don't normally own their individual properties, but that they lease from a property owner who owns the strip mall or shopping center, and it's not like the store can just go start treating the property as residential even if it wants to, even aside from zoning restrictions from the municipality.

Lemme check Google Maps.

Yeah, it's the "Northwest Plaza" shopping center. Looks like they share a building with a pet food store and a UPS store and such, and there are other buildings in the shopping center.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Family+Fare+Supermarket/@43.6425233,-84.2512005,215m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x8823d55dddb15c93:0xaf14d039d2268031!8m2!3d43.6427161!4d-84.2508454!16s%2Fg%2F11cky3vyyq?entry=ttu

Yeah, and at Street View level, you can see that there are more businesses in the same building. Like, a buffet restaurant, a pharmacy, etc.

Like, setting aside the whole question of whether society should subsidize more housing, this just isn't somewhere that it makes a lot of sense to put someone, even if that's the aim.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

Sometimes, but building codes and regulations are more than just liability, remember safety regulations are almost always written in blood.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

I mean... She isn't there anymore

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Sounds like long enough for her to claim squatters rights and no longer be homeless.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago

The threshold in Michigan is 15 years of conspicuous, uncontested, and exclusive occupancy. So, no.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The court may argue that the space behind a retail marquee is not a home.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Pure commercial zoning, legally can not be a home.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

There's a lot of bullshit in zoning to begin with. Why exactly can't we have mixed commercial and residential areas in suburbia? Slap some apartments on top of grocery stores, bakeries/restaurants, and shops; or is forbidden to have much of anything within walking distance of homes?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Because then you wouldn't need a car

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago

This was not a homeless woman, this woman had a home.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (16 children)

The director of a local homeless assistance group is quoted as saying:

“Obviously, we don’t want people resorting to illegal activity to find housing."

IANAL but here's a funny twist of the law. It's not generally illegal, per se, for the woman have done this until she was caught and legal action was taken and was successful. The mere act of it was not in itself illegal. Heck, in California you have to give squatters 3 days notice (the area where she stayed could be seen as "vacant").

Anyway, food for thought. Lest, you know, one require housing.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago

That is all I would need to distract me from being homeless

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Who TF snitched on Jane Doe?!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

Contractors followed an extension cord and found her up there.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

“On the roof, it’s peaceful as can be, and there the world below don’t bother me…”

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

She had a home, but they kicked her out.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

"Welcome to camping with Steve"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

that makes me sad

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Luxury. Best we could manage was a paper bag in a septic tank.

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