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My 27 yr old sibling is a hard core follower of Joe Rogan 💩

What are some progressive channels/people/content that I could have my sibling start watching instead?

Preferably something that has a similar flavor - example: male host, muscular, easy to digest. I think that will make the transition easier.

My personal preferences are Seth Meyers and John Oliver, but Last Week Tonight (John Oliver) is even a heavy watch for me sometimes!

[No Andrew Hubbard. He’s another fake.]

Thank you!

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Seconding this rec, seems like a good fit

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

In the same CoolZone Media vein, Hood Politics might fit the bill as well.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago (2 children)

If he's a "hard follower" of Joe Rogan than he likely won't be interested in other content. Rogan is a fool, but that's why people find him appealing. Content that is insightful and educational is the opposite of the junk food of Rogan.

Maybe instead, when Rogan says something like "Bro did you know like the pineal gland of the chimpanzee produces anti-covid hormones? This is just what I've heard. Look it up. By the way did you see the tree growing in my toilet?" You can help your sibling by teaching them ways to think, reason, and critically evaluate the BS that freely flows from the Roganverse.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

Hey be careful when you are blatantly misquoting Joe Rogan to benefit your own exaggerations.

He clearly says that the pineal gland produces DMT. And you know how much Joe Rogan loves DMT.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Preferably something that has a similar flavor - example: male host, muscular, easy to digest. I think that will make the transition easier.

You don't think much of your sibling do you?

[–] [email protected] 51 points 6 months ago

I mean if they listen to Joe Rogan, they don't seem to think much of themselves either tbh. That counts as self-harm.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Their sibling might be young. Young people are gullible idiots.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Their sibling is 27 in this case, I think well past the age of "gullible young".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You’ll find that folks can be gullible at any age. My step-kids, who live with their dad in Texas, are in their early 20s and get about 99% of their information from either YouTube or TikTok. For the youngest, church plays a big part. Generally speaking, they are good kids, but they are both gullible AF. I’m betting OP’s sibling has a similar diet of media consumption.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Yeah, the unbiased style of debate/news reporting is very dangerous.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What are you gullible about?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I’m sure there’s something, and I try to remind myself when talking to the kids that they’re figuring out the world around them all the time just like i did when I was their age. It’s really hard getting them to look outside of YT and TikTok for information. Awhile back, the younger one got into the Atlantis mythology and started talking about it a lot. Theories of Atlantean origin are pretty common in white supremacist circles, so that was kind of stressful!

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Make him watch early Joe Rogan content. Back when he actually had an open mind and interesting guests.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

The Hasan Abi Broadcast

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

This comes off a little negative but totally get the desire to show a sibling something different,as someone who uses to listen to rogan regularly...

Find whatever guests he liked and nail down what it is he's actually interested in. For me it was history and comedy.

History of Rome with Mike Duncan then lead to youtubers like sandrhomanhistory and the operations room. If he's into more military and masculine show him forgotten weapons also on YouTube.

If you go as left mainstream as John Oliver it's gonna be an uphill battle. Even though I more than likely agree with what he would say have 0 desire to watch it.

Comedy wise the early cumtown episodes are goofy classics.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

What I love about Mike Duncan is that you can hear him radicalizing in real time during the Revolutions podcast. By the time he reached the Haitian Revolution he’s done with everyone’s shit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Before COVID Rogan's show was fantastic. As soon as the end of 2019 ramped up it was all down hill from there.

He went full Alex Jones.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Yeah it’s easy to hate Joe Rogan now but there’s a reason why he was the #1 most downloaded podcast for years. Huge range of guests and Joe’s, “Jack of all trades master of absolutely nothing besides MMA” knowledge base of questions got some good stories out of people.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Beau of the fifth column on YouTube is just for this he tries to reach people at that level and doesn't talk down to them and is great on foreign policy concepts.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I've never listened to Rogan*, but I think https://www.theskepticsguide.org/podcasts does an excellent job of talking about current news and science items in an easily digestible format that mostly avoids bullshit while probably filling the same gee-whiz niche that people expect from Rogan? It's a panel, so not a single muscular male host, but I think if your sibling is pursuing Rogan because they think it's helping expose them to new interesting ideas, SGU is a vastly superior route to that end.


*I actually think my only Rogan exposure has been the SGU talking about how he more or less just believes the last thing anyone told him, whatever that might be, which seems... less good?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Your preference is your preference, but SG1 and SGA are far better than SGU in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I assume this is a Stargate thing and that there aren't actually that many Skeptical Guide podcasts out there.

I haven't got any dog in the Stargate fight, I've seen the original movie (good) and watched the Richard Dean Anderson TV series (better than the movie) for a while before it just fell off my radar? I'll take your word for it that Stargate Universe is the lesser of the Stargate properties.

SGU in my comment obviously is referring to the Skeptics Guide to the Universe aka, the linked podcast.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

J Aubrey is a very entertaining long format YTer that explains many of the internet's worst villains. His take down of grifters don't target Joe himself, but help inoculate people from the "natural" hierarchies that dominate conservative thought.

https://m.youtube.com/@jaubrey/videos

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Edit: Going through all the suggestions now - thank you! I hadn’t heard of these before. I appreciate it!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Modern Wisdom

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

I read it here before but the best way is deconstructing a specific case of the person in question choosing. The problem is that replacing one influencer with another one won't change the understanding issue of misplaced trust in media/people.

I think that these things should be voluntary by the way. Both for success chances and pure respect for your sibling.

Ask him if they would be interested. Then make them choose an episode. Prepare yourself. Ask them to prepare a little document in which they express their understanding and lesson that they learned from the episode. Ask them if they are willing to investigate how true these things are. Look for evidence together or alone. When done, get together and talk about the truthfulness of the ideas.

Alternatively ask yourself if they have some kind of expertise in something and look if there is a Joe Rogan episode about and suggest them to watch it. The deconstruction would happen automatically. You can help by ask them questions about it. Having to vocalize criticism towards something is an amazing reflection exercise.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Would Lex Fridman fit the bill? He runs in the same circle as Joe Rogan with similar guests, but generally just let's his guests speak instead of actively pushing nonsense, and especially not with the degree of confidence that Rogan does while being wrong. It'll still require you to listen critically, but that might be easier if you don't have someone actively pushing you in one direction.

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