This is like putting solar panels on an oil rig 🙄
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It's like whining about capitalism from your iphone
Yes I live in society yet I criticize it, you are very smart.
Imagine thinking you have a point
Imagine thinking communism is a poverty cult lol
This would be meaningful. More reporting means more information to wield when convincing people we need more than solar panels.
I'd take it. Just that little bit less oil we need. Stop trying to shit on everything.
Greenwashing is harmful because it tricks people into thinking there's been progress and we aren't on track for the collapse of civilization.
As much as I hate the military industrial complex, symbolic actions matter, and we need some form of military so as long as we have a military I hope it will utilize green energy when possible.
Symbolic actions with no substance are purely propaganda.
We don't need the largest military on Earth.
I agree.
But again, how is this greenwashing?
What do you think the propaganda is for? It's meant to trick people into thinking we're making progress so they don't panic.
the alternative is imminent collapse of civilization and no solar panels
I'm not going to fucking care if the Pentagon has solar panels while I'm fighting to the death over the last unopened can of beans in an abandoned Walmart.
Yeah, I get it. Not sure that stating the doomer case is any better than installing solar panels, though, is my point. It gets us the same outcome in the end.
If people actually realized how fucked we are they wouldn't settle for greenwashing. We could get organized and fight back.
How is lessening your carbon footprint greenwashing?
This is purely propaganda meant to trick people into thinking the Pentagon is green.
HOW IS IT GREEN WASHING?
Bruh you've been answered. No need to yell.
That wasn't an answer, it was a poorly voiced opinion.
Dude, this conversation is a great example of letting perfect being the enemy of good. Organization takes a step in the right direction, and wack jobs come out of the woodwork because it wasn't a complete change that would have taken decades to finish
Dude, this conversation is a great example of letting perfect being the enemy of good. Organization takes a step in the right direction, and wack jobs come out of the woodwork because it wasn’t a complete change that would have taken decades to finish
We've been 'accepting' the good in earnest now for around 50-60 years under the modern global political hegemony. How is that going? Has the world been improving? We get bold decisive action when it relates to things that make life worse for all peoples, and we get incrementalism when it comes to actions which would improve peoples lives. This is the true cost of incrementalism. Its why the world is fucked. No. Halfway solutions aren't good enough. In fact they are actually worse than no solution at all because the take the space and opportunity where a significant action can be made.
I hear what you are saying but it sounds like "Hey, we have a hole in this boat but instead of trying to stop most of the water from getting in, we're just gonna let it sink, swim to shore and build a new boat."
Have you ever had a hole in your boat?
Guess what. If you don't fully solve having a hole in your boat, you still have a hole in your boat.
You need to completely fix the fucking hole or you are well and truly fucked.
Taking the time to do a halfway repair instead of fully fixing the issue is how you end up at the bottom of the sea.
But don't the Titanic's deck chairs look so nice now that we've rearranged them?
This is like putting solar panels on an oil rig
I mean, even for a low effort post its not really making much sense.
I assume your simile is suggesting that and oil rig shouldn't use solar panels (for reduction of green house gas creation) because it is a primary source of green house gasses (eventually). So you'd prefer an oil rig to, what, burn oil for electricity instead generating even more green house gasses?
I'd prefer the oil rig didn't exist and I'd prefer people stop confusing greenwashing for progress.
Sure, great, but thats ignoring the practicalities of reality. If you want real change you've got to evolve from an ideologue if you're actually interested in seeing the change you want.
Oil rigs aren't going to disappear overnight. If they did economies around the world would come to a grinding halt. Famine and disease would run rampant and wars would break out fighting over the remaining supplies. Likely 80% or more of humanity would die out within a generation. You and I would not be among the survivors.
So maybe a better way to get rid of oil rigs is to reduce their need by, oh I don't know, replacing oil consuming energy generation with PV solar panels...like the article is talking about. It will be on very small change in a whole list of changes needed to get rid of those oil rigs, but is on the path, and its realistic.
people stop confusing greenwashing for progress.
There's plenty of greenwashing occurring in the world today. This event isn't one of them.
There will never be real change as long as people settle for greenwashing, there will be ticky-tacky incremental bullshit changes until society collapses. With incrementalism oil rigs aren't going to disappear ever, and neither will the Pentagon. They're going to kill us all.