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I'm curious to hear thoughts on this. I agree for the most part, I just wish people would see the benefit of choice and be brave enough to try it out.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Why dont more people use the linux desktop" its because they don't care about computers. To most people computers are a tool and they are not interested in what the underlying software is doing as long as they can run a web browser.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Or because Windows comes pre-installed on almost all machines. Many people don't even know what "operating system" is. It's just a part of the computer for them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I literally don't think the plethora of choices has anything to do with why Linux is not installed by the masses. The only reason is that Microsoft and Apple are huge market forces with the ability to advertise, make deals with other business partners, pre-install their operating systems onto hardware that's sold, operate technical support services, and so on. They have completely flooded the market with their stuff.

Linux has these things, too, but nowhere in scale or scope, and with relative industry latecomers to sell it. If Linux were created 10-12 years sooner and companies like Suse, RH, Canonical, System76 were all formed earlier than they were I think we'd see a healthy amount of Linux out in the world, with maybe a few percent higher market share (which would be extremely massive).

Keep in mind that Apple, as a company, rebuilt itself truly not on the technical excellence of Macintosh, but by driving sales of iPods then iPhones.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Apple's success came from Microsoft's negligence. Too many people had Windows XP computers at home wrecked with toolbars and spyware and garbage.

And people gladly left for a walled garden platform that locked down everything and didn't require them to administer their own systems.

The biggest success in the Linux world has been Chromebooks and Android, where Google administers the system for the user.

Most people don't choose linux because they can't administer their own system. A system that lets them administer however they want has no appeal to them. They instinctively know they can't handle that responsibility. They need their hands held.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because windows is preinstalled on the computer they buy. That is literally it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah. Windows isn't a choice. It's what you get if you never question what OS you use.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The author is an idiot.

When someone comes to me asking how to get into Linux, they do not need to hear a laundry list of distributions to choose from.

Only techies ask anyone how they "get into Linux". Say it with me now. "People don't buy, buy into, get into, install, or use operating systems" They buy fuckin computers. It is perceptibly to virtually all non-techies a feature of the device.

There are a million types of cars but people manage to pick one and buy it same with breakfast cereals or shampoo because they are obligated to make a decision or go hungry, dirty, or walk everywhere.

People don't particularly like making decisions and they decided what OS they were going to use when they bought the computer and they have no intention of downloading an iso, write it to a USB, figure out how they boot from it, figure out the bios options they need to disable and what works differently than what they are familiar with.

You lost them around step 2 and lost all hope of moving forward unless the prize at the end is something much better than "does everything I used to do but differently"

The success of Chromebooks, android phones, and the steam deck is that it was driven by devices people wanted to use not an OS people wanted to use. If you want to see more Linux use that is the story you need to focus on.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“When someone comes to me asking how to get into Linux, they do not need to hear a laundry list of distributions to choose from. When they ask, I don't want to have to say, something akin to, "You could try Ubuntu, Linux Mint, elementary OS, Zorin OS, or Ubuntu Budgie."”

Ok, so what if I need a car? People will give me a laundry list of car brands to choose from, so I don’t really see that as a valid point. What if I want to buy a pair of shoes? Is there another laundry list? Yes there is.

Just pick something popular, and try it out. If you don’t like it, you’ll have a better idea of the features you want or don’t want in the future.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Well, it's all about expectations and alternatives. People don't expect to be overloaded with choices before the OS even boots.

Linux is the only OS on any platform where they have (to make) this choice.

Windows, Mac, Android, iPhone, all of these Systems don't give you a choice between wildly different versions.

Also, the issue extends to after the installation as well. If someone asks me about a Windows issue of medium intensity, I can tell them on the phone how to fix it without having a PC nearby.

Say they ask me how to do something as simple as to install a program from the repository.

Depending on the Linux they are using, they will (or will not) have any one of a few dozen package manager GUIs, which will work wildly different. Even if they don't use the GUI, they might be using apt, yum, pacman, snap or any other of a few dozen CLI package managers.

And depending on their distro, the package in question can have one of a few dozen different names, or might not be in the repo at all, so that I need to add a ppa or some other form of external repository.

That is a massive issue in everyday use. The only viable thing is for the local family/friend group admin to decide which distro to use and then everyone needs to use that distro or get educated themselves.

For example, I got a lot of experience (~10 years) on Debian-based OSes. Put me on Arch and I have no clue.

The same is not true for e.g. Windows, where I have used every single version extensively (except of Win11).