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This would have been really nice to have a decade ago. In the age of virtualization, what's the use case?
EDIT: I'm not asking rhetorically. It really would have been nice to have 10 years ago for my use cases. What use cases do you envision for bcachefs in 2023?
a striped hot ssd cache for a massive raided backend on a VM host - all done with native filesystem support sounds pretty good to me.
Reminds me of my older asus laptop - it had larger 512GB SSD and another intel optane 32gb ssd for cache.
I used to install OS to that intel optane drive (not enough for Windows lol), and used bigger ssd for /home.
With this feature - i think i could have a "single" disk for everything. :) so that's another use case for you.
You're running local storage for a VM host? Or are you talking more like whiteboxing your own NAS?
I understand what bcachefs does. I've used bcache many years ago to do exactly what you're describing, albeit for bare metal servers. I'm asking why.
I'm just trying to understand what the use case would be in 2023 outside of a home lab, given that cost per gigabyte is basically at parity between SSDs and HDDs when you consider TCO (i.e. when you price in the extra power and cooling overhead for the HDDs, failure rates, and such).
I have a pretty strong usecase for distributed Small/Medium Business bare metal VM hosts. most locations do not need NAS/SAN, and DAS will more than suffice. lower cost hardware with a near-line raided backend and SSD hotcache at FS level seems to be a pretty decent sweet spot.
obviously this is not some enterprise grade setup and YMMV, but I am pretty interested in a all-in-one FS solution. I am sure others may have more innovative setups where its even more interesting.
Sounds like a great use case.
I'm assuming your nearline drives speak SAS? Are you doing redundant controllers on the backplane for multipathing and for fault tolerance? I'm not sure if bcachefs specifically supports it (or if that would happen at a different layer) but distros in general should support it.
TCO gets split into CAPEX and OPEX, so you come out ahead on the initial purchase even though it uses more power in the long run, which surely looks better to the business.