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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Piracy isn't stealing anyway. You're not removing the data from the original owner.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (54 children)

But the original creation cost time and money, which you're not reimbursing the creator for. The moral thing to do is to pay your share of that if you make a copy, even if the copy itself doesn't cost anything.

It's like going to a concert without paying the entrance fee. Sure it's not a big deal if only one person does it, but the concert couldn't even happen if everyone acted like this, or the organizers would have to pay for it all by themselves.

If you want to morally justify piracy then start with the ridiculous earnings and monopolies of big media companies, or the fact that they will just remove your access to media you "bought". Piracy is like stealing, but sometimes stealing is the right thing to do.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Would you call it Piracy if I lend a bluray from a friend? I didn't pay for it and yet I've watched it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, because it's so widespread and natural that it should be expected and already accounted for in the price. But there is no hard line imo, and simplified examples often fail to capture all the aspects that go into the decision. E.g. I'd say paying for one person at a concert and sneaking in another would basically be piracy, even though the two situations are very similar on a surface level.

I think it's about reasonable expectations both parties of the agreement can have, based on established social norms. If you buy a movie for personal consumption you should be able to expect that you can watch it whenever you want, and also share that experience with friends and family. And at the same time the seller should be able to expect that you limit it to a reasonable number of personal contacts, and don't start to sell it to strangers or run a movie theater, because that expectation was used to set the price.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So if piracy was "widespread and natural" it'd be bueno?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If that would be possible then yes, or course.

That's bascially the Start Trek future, where everybody's needs are met and people can just do whatever they want. It doesn't "cost" anything to create stuff, so it's fine to copy everything for free. But that's not the reality we are living in. In our's somebody has to pay for things, and if everyone pirated everything then things couldn't be made anymore.

An example where it kinda works is open source software. People don't charge for copies, because they expect to get help with their work and also be allowed to use other OS software without paying for it. As long as that balance holds it works out fine, but there are a lot of projects that required too much investment from the creator's and didn't provide enough back for them to keep going. And even there, companies profiting from OS projects are expected or even required to pay it back, by contributing code and paying for engineers and sponsorships.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

To further the thought experiment. I digitize my Blu-ray and put it on a private tracker to share with ONLY my friends. Is that piracy?

Copywrite laws are antiquated at best and need to be destroyed at worst.

If you need more proof look at bullshit like how Paramount+ until recently couldn't show flagship shows like Picard in Canada because the rights were given to Crave.

So as a consumer I want to go to the owner of the property and I can't watch it because the owner told me they gave a copy of it to someone else.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (17 children)

How do you feel about jumping the turnstile at a train station?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Counter question: Do you think that running libraries is theft?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Public Lending Right programs exist in 35 countries to compensate authors whose works are in libraries.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Great! Let's do that for any type of media!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

They do already.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (42 children)

Amoral at worst. Public transportation shouldn't have a fee at use. Tax the rich, invest in transport

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Depends on the circumstances I guess, but no matter how I feel about it people jumping the turnstile aren't stealing the train.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Are they stealing a ride?

I don't like this analogy, because there's a real, albeit small, cost to the subway of that free ride, in terms of fuel and increased maintenance. Digital piracy has literaly no real cost to the producer except the nebulous "lost sale."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

It should be a free service anyway. Without free public transport, democracy does not exists. Same reason healthcare and education should be. So sure, you are “stealing” a ride - something that should be yours anyway because people are not born with the ability to travel kilometers of cityscapes, something that is now mandatory to survive and thrive.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

You're also potentially blocking a seat that could be used by a paying passenger, and the operator will statistically run more/longer trains at higher cost to cope with increased demand.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

I dunno, I mean are the train company allowed to take my money and then go "sorry we fell out with the fuel company so we're just gonna keep your money and not take you to your destination. Soz babe x"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You wouldn't download a train?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

In that case you're actually using a limited resource: space on a train. And by occupying it you're preventing someone else from using it (assuming a full train). Copying media doesn't cost any resources (ignoring the tiny amounts of electricity) or interfere with anyone else's ability to use that resource.

They don't compare.

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