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Ah yes, as if anarchism, liberalism, libertarianism or really any other human ideology and methodology centered entirely on egoism don't engender some strange communal cargo cult behavior. It's almost as though they too are full of shit?
It is funny to believe in 'self-determination' when you can't even recognize that all the important decisions have already been made for you. It is rich to pretend to fight against the nihilist when you only believe in yourself. So go egoist, live your life as you please, blissfully unaware that you are just as stuck the very herd of individuality that we all find ourselves in.
No, you're utterly wrong about what my beliefs are.
I believe in mutualism, in voluntarily exchange of ideas, labor, and value, all collectively bargained.
I believe in democracy, in secular federal republics, and forthright debate about the value of human life and who gets to make decisions about that concept and it's implications, where words have actual meaning, balance is considered a virtue, and an individual can still have rights and protections from other individuals, collectives, and the state while being subject to the will of a popular vote.
I will never tolerate those who presume to speak for or demand my family, my friend's, my colleagues', or my labor, sacrifice, skill, and knowledge at the point of a gun or a knife.
Fellate yourself over your dreams of becoming the pEoPLe's ChAmPiOn of ThE rEvoLuTiOn on your own time, not mine.
How do you intend to make such a reality happen?
vIoLeNt ReVoLuTiOn, oBvIoUsLy. ๐ซต๐ฝ๐คก
You can be as smug as you want about it, but the people who benefit from capitalism as it exists aren't just going to let you change things.
If the violent revolution against the current brand of authoritarians in power is led, co-opted, or hijacked by the authoritarian left, the proponents of democracy, equity, and liberty will be executed very quickly after, as history has shown time and again.
So, no, the extortionist capitalists won't go away quietly, but I don't trust the tankies to bring about some utopia after they execute the "class-traitors and class-enemies".
So you admit it will be violent revolution then?
Maybe. I don't know. I hope not.
But history has a pretty clear record about what the authoritarian left does right after they "win", and it's not the "egalitarian equitable utopia" they claim they'll usher in.
Authoritarian is a non-starter for me on account of the fact that it doesn't actually mean anything. Is it the opposite of democracy? What is democracy in this context, and what would your revolution look like?
You're wrong. Words have meanings.
adjective Characterized by or favoring absolute obedience to authority, as against individual freedom. "an authoritarian regime." Tending to tell other people what to do in a peremptory or arrogant manner. synonym: dictatorial. Similar: dictatorial Characteristic of an absolute ruler or absolute rule; having absolute sovereignty; -- of governments or rulers. "an authoritarian regime" Similar: autocraticdictatorialdespotictyrannical Expecting unquestioning obedience: "he was imperious and dictatorial"; "the timid child of authoritarian parents"; "insufferably overbearing behavior toward the waiter" Similar: dictatorialoverbearing Of, or relating to, absolute obedience to an authority. Characterised by a tyrannical obedience to an authority; dictatorial. noun One who supports the principle of authority, as opposed to that of individual freedom. Behaves like a tyrant. Similar: dictator The American Heritageยฎ Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition
Yes.
If we're talking about the United States, non-violent, presumably brought about by collective action and enforcing laws regarding protections to citizens, labor unions, the environment, etc. that are already on the books.
Look, I'm assuming you're a true-believer tankie; clearly, I'm not and never will be.
Let's not waste each other's time, anymore. I gotta walk my dogs, smoke a spliff and rub my wife's back when she gets home, and you gotta do whatever it is you do.
Good luck with the revolution. ๐๐ฝ
Sarcasm and posturing? How do you honestly plan to diplomatically redistribute power/wealth without this happening? When has meaningful change ever happened without those in power engaging in violent retaliation against the often peaceful and nonviolent exploited classes? And here you sit and smugly discard all the movements that actually managed to get something done as 'fascist' and 'corporatist''
It may take a violent revolution, but I don't trust any tankie to bring about a utopia after the dust settles once all the fascists and corporatists get their due. They're just another flavor of authoritarian statists.
The rulership of the revolutionary party forever is all they're interested in. Seizing the means of production "for the party", never really for the proletariat, who they will happily execute once their usefulness has been served. As history has shown time and again.
Sorry your so butt hurt by sarcasm and "posturing", but I'm old enough to spot wannabe populist dictators and their ball-garglers easily. They get nothing but contempt, ridicule, or fists, knives, and bullets when they get really grabby.
They can all kick rocks, barefoot.๐๐ฝ
Oh my god dude you sound so pathetic right now. If you actually do hold radical left beliefs of any kind and it's not just a cute online label for you (really doubt that but I'll give you the benefit of a doubt) go outside, touch some fucking grass, and organize IRL, or at least talk to people IRL about it. We've all heard your bullshit "anti tankie" tirades from people like you a thousand times over, you're not changing any minds and are not impressing anybody with your arguments, I can absolutely guarantee you that.
I do. I'm part of a union. And I vote regularly, and talk to my peers, colleagues and friends about politics especially at the local level. I have attended debates and lectures as well.
Hey numbskull, did you forget what the original thread meme was about in the first place? I'm not saying any of this to change minds en masse; the question was to paraphrase, "what is your opinion counter to what many other's is?"
You're so butt hurt, you gloss over the original meme in the first place just to tell me I'm full of shit. Wow, didn't expect that from tankies at all. ๐
Cool beans, tough guy, not here to "impress", just answering a meme question. Remember?
Go suck each other's dick on hexbear or lemmygrad about "how ya got me good". I'm sure I'll be malding all night about it.
Good luck with the revolution, "sPaCe_CoMrAdE". ๐๐ฝ
Oh my god dude get over yourself, I feel sorry for the people around you if you're this obnoxious IRL.
Please cry harder about some stranger's opinions about tankies, you butt-hurt twat. Then all the people who hate me can start a revolution for your fee-fees.
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