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A screenshot of a file manager preview window for my ~/.cache folder, which takes up 164.3 GiB and has 246,049 files and 15,126 folders. The folder was first created about 1.75 years ago with my system
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The hate you're getting for this is so revealing and depressing. It basically proves you right.
To the haters: where is the factual problem with this personal opinion? Have you considered making a counter-argument instead, instead of simply lashing out with the downvote button like spoiled infants? This kind of tribal pile-on really pisses me off. You are literally censoring an opinion expressed in good faith - downvotes hide comments and reduce reputation. All while offering no rebuttal, no ideas of your own, nothing. Nice work.
Not a "hater" in terms of trying/wanting to be mean, but I do disagree. I think a lot of people downvoting are frustrated because this attitude takes an issue in one application (yay), for one distro, and says "this is why Linux sucks / can't be used by normies". Clearly that's not true of this specific instance, especially given that yay is basically a developer tool. At best, "this is why yay sucks". (yay is an AUR helper - a tool to help you compile and install software that's completely unvetted - see the big red banner. Using the AUR is definitely one of those things that puts you well outside the realm of the "common person" already.)
Maybe the more charitable interpretation is "these kinds of issues are what common users face", and that's a better argument (setting aside the fact that this specific instance isn't really part of that group). I think most people agree that there are stumbling blocks, and they want things to be easier for new users. But doom-y language like this, without concrete steps or ideas, doesn't feel particularly helpful. And it can be frustrating -- thus the downvotes.
Fair enough, tho personally I don't see this "doom-y language" you see, I just see a slightly exasperated opinion expressed in good grammar and good faith.
But personally I don't downvote people for their opinions, ever, as a matter of principle. It's literally a form of censorship, given that it hides the comments. It leads straight to a deadening groupthink where dissenters are scared to open their virtual mouths. It creates a general aura of negativity and intolerance that helps nobody at all. Downvoting, as it is used by most people here and on the R-site, is an absolute scourge. If anything makes me leave this community, it will be this.
It is what it is. I've been involved in Linux communities long enough to know not to take stuff like this personally.
On Reddit we saw constant posts about why Linux isn't more popular but no one ever talks about all the dumb little issues that the distros have because of a slight lack of polish. Those little issues make the distros seem cheap compared to the polish of something like Windows.
I'm always amused at the replies I get with things like "When I had Windows it literally caused my CPU to burst in to flames and my SSD shot my dog. Now I'm running Arch and it showed me last night's winning lotto numbers."
Ha! Yes I agree completely with all of that.
And with your point here. In this world of pocket touchscreens and voice AIs, where young people don't even know what a file is any more, the geeks here are reminding each other to empty their .cache directory from time to time. I mean, do they have no self-awareness? Or perhaps they simply don't care if nobody chooses to use Linux. That at least would be coherent, but if there are no new users then eventually the whole thing will just die.
IMO I'd say the same thing about windows's "Temp" folder though.
I agree that a lot of Linux isn't user friendly but I'm also on a distro that is specifically supposed to be customized from the ground up (arch-based) using a tiling window manager which also involves configuring most things from the ground up. This isn't a problem that most Linux users will likely have, but it is a problem that people may have if they are power users trying to have full control over their system (people who will be on a community about Linux). From what others in this thread have been saying, non-arch distros (and even arch with other aur helpers than yay) tend to have much smaller caches that get up to around 10Gb at most, which is also similar in size to what Windows's temp directory uses.
This is a Linux community on a FOSS platform. This community is inherently going to be filled with more "geeky" people. Isn't this what we signed up for? You make it seem like Linux was ever attracting people who weren't these type of people to begin with. Computer science is still a growing field, and most sane computer science curriculums involve using POSIX terminal commands and by extension linux at some point. I'm a zoomer and can confirm, we're not all as hopeless as you think we are. Linux will be fine even ignoring all of its corporate and government backing. And for people who don't even know what a file is, they probably won't know what Linux is in the first place. Even if they somehow have a system preconfigured with linux, their Ubuntu or Linux Mint install will probably be clearing the cache for them.
Some good points here, I stand partially corrected.
There are in fact 2 completely separate things that irk me. The biggest is the virtual lynching that is mass-downvoting. I'm sorry, I will never ever pardon the downvoting of opinions, I think it's the illness of the social internet since the very beginning. See my many other recent comments for evidence of how strongly I feel about this.
The other issue is the actual one at hand! You're right that this cache folder business does not really concern most ordinary users, even on Ubuntu. But actually, if even we geeks need to tell each other to "remember to do X every now and then", I have enough of an IT mind to think "Why do we need to remember anything?! The tool should do this job for us!" These are "babysitting" chores and IMO on a decent OS there should be zero babysitting, it should be set up once and then it should work forever, with any tweaking optional.