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Subsidies - Unrestricted Capitalism
Choose one.
Capitalism dictates maximizing profit by any means, including taking free money from the government.
A government giving out targeted free money, is not an "unrestricted capitalism" government.
China, is an aggressively capitalist society, colliding with a strongly communist facade. Or a disaster in slow motion.
China is an instance of State Capitalism, where the government owns the means of production, and uses it for profit-generation. The only reason that anyone in the West actually believes it's at all Communist is because we're so indoctrinated by Red Scare propaganda that most people can't tell the difference between "workers own" and "the government owns", since the only kind of private ownership we recognize is ownership by corporations and plutocrats.
Ownership by an autocrat or by an oligarchy is not public ownership.
Subsidies are by definition not a restriction on bad behavior but an incentive. There is no reason a company can’t ignore a subsidy if it doesn’t want to.
Subsidies skew the market toward specific sectors, technologies, or actors. A company that do not benefit from subsidies is at a competitive disadvantage vs a company that do get subsidies.
A totally free market wouldn't have any subsidies. But markets aren't totally free in practice.
Subsidies are typically a good thing when it benefits cleaner tech or improving energy efficiency. It's the fossil fuel subsidies that do the most harm.
Reminder that capitalism doesn't mean free market.
That's part of it, even if that's not the only part.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
Sure, in the same way that a central characteristic of Communism is being a Stateless society, even though that part never seems to happen either (thanks, Lenin). "True Capitalism has never been tried before!"
I would argue that being horriblely disadvantaged by not getting free money is not in fact a restriction on the market.
That's technically correct. It's not a restriction. But it's not a neutral for the market either.
Of course it’s not neutral, but we’re talking about wether or not it is comparable with unrestricted capitalism.
China is not a country that gives subsidies but a corporation that invests in branches it wants to grow