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Seriously this was very surprising. I've been experimenting with GrayJay since it was announced and I largely think it's a pretty sweet app. I know there are concerns over how it isn't "true open source" but it's a hell of a lot more open than ReVanced. Plus, I like the general design and philosophy of the app.

I updated the YouTube backend recently and to my surprise and delight they had added support for SponsorBlock. However, when I went to enable it, it warned me "turning this on harms creators" and made me click a box before I could continue.

Bruh, you're literally an ad-blocking YouTube frontend. What kind of mental gymnastics does it take to be facilitating ad-blocking and then at the same time shame the end-user for using an extension which simply automates seeking ahead in videos. Are you seriously gonna tell me that even without Sponsorblock, if I skip ahead past the sponsored ad read in a video, that I'm "harming the creator"?

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[–] [email protected] 117 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

They don’t use trackers, they are not targeted and they respect your privacy.

In that case it won't matter to anyone that I skipped them.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

As I've mentioned in another thread, I believe YouTube provides analytics on this (hence the "most replayed" parts for some videos), and I'm certain I've seen some creators mention sposors requiring that information before a deal is made. So it may really hurt some small youtubers that can't rely on merchandise sales.

That said, I personally use sponsorblock as I don't feel like wasting my life on nordvpn ads, but I have to admit sponsor segments are a whole lot better than regular YouTube ads.

Edit: And as I far as I know they pay much better than regular ads.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I manually skip all sponsored segments except for the Internet Historian ones.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Pretty much. I watch all the NordVPN Man ads and don’t even sign up for a 12 month discount and the first month free. I’m basically a criminal.

Also Mullvad FTW.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

My man Windscribe always forgotten about

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Localscriptman also does really creative ones.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

And Some More News

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

The most replayed section won't count your view anyway since you're watching through an unofficial app that doesn't send tracking data to YouTube

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It's true that YouTube does track the most watched portions of a video, but in the case of clients like NewPipe or this one the way the video is parsed it doesn't send the analytic data necessary, so it likely doesn't even count views, let alone watched segments.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I wish there was an add-on that could fake a view for the sponsored segment for the creator but skip it for the user. I.e. every time the user skips a sponsored segment, the extension adds a view for the sponsored segment for the creator, so they get paid whilst we skip their segment.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They don’t use trackers,

Well, they can see whether you watched them or not. So technically still tracked. At least in the official youtube app.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They can see the percentage of people who watched that part of the video, as part of the video analytics. This doesn't track the user, though, at least not if you have history turned off, or are using another front end.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And I'd guess that's done in the backend instead of the frontend. They should be able to know how many times their server steamed a part of a video.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well when a video is buffered it's loaded in memory but not viewed yet, they can't count loading the video as a view or they'd count the whole video as viewed if you simply buffered it in full, it would also screw up that watched timestamps feature to see which part has been played back most.

So yes they can count how many times it has been streamed but they also need to know you've watched it because sitting on pause while the video buffers all the way through isn't a view, it isn't watching those segments, but it does stream them from the servers, in the same way Newpipe and Grayjay does. Which is how a video can register no views despite being watched on something like NewPipe.