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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

it would for sure lead to a Constitutional Crisis.

News flash: America is already in-play with multiple constitutional crises. PoTUS ignoring direct court orders, abducting and sending US citizens and legal residents to foreign gulags, and so forth.

Now granted, this would be just another one on top of a rapidly-growing pile. But so far the Orange Cheeto has already “won” on a number of points. Right now, the constitution is such in name only. It’s pretty much window dressing at this point. What makes you think that another crisis will actually discourage him from just doing whatever he wants?

America is no longer a democratic country. It is plunging full force into “failed state” status in an epic swan dive of authoritarian destruction.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

America never was, really, a 'democratic' country in the sense that so many were always denied the right to vote. It was 'democratic' only in the sense that those who were enfranchised to vote, could exercise that franchise given that they met certain conditions.

The original Constitution only enfranchised white male landowners to vote. If you met that threshold, you had the 'democratic right to vote'. Oh, wait, you also had to meet a list of other requirements, as well. For instance, you could be any religion you wanted, as long as it had God at the top. It was imperative to swear an oath to God. The original Constitution made that clear. No atheists or non-God-fearing need even try to vote. THAT was what they originally meant by 'freedom of religion' - freedom to worship God any way you wanted. It did NOT allow for 'freedom to NOT have a religion'.

You are right in the sense that the Constitution is being ignored. That is all part of Vance and the 2025 Manifesto. Trump will go one step too far, Vance will lead the impeachment procedures against Trump for Treason to the Constitution, Vance becomes President, and gets a totally free hand to implement his own 2025 Manifesto agenda. Incidentally, the splitting up of America leaving only a pure Republican union, ensuring the Democratic states never interfere again, is all part and parcel of the 2025 plan. Vance would rather be President of a 'pure' Republican nation than have to contend with the turmoil and chaos the Democrats would cause. That is why America is as close to civil war as it was before the start of Civil War 1.0 back almost two centuries ago. The fact is, the more the Constitution loses relevance, the more likely succession by states becomes. At some point, the Constitution becomes so irrelevant that individual states will see absolutely no need to follow it in any shape or form. They will fall back on State constitutions for their governance.

I predict, that soon the Republicans will use the turmoil over the existing Constitution, seeing as the existing Constitution is failing so badly, as a reason to completely rewrite the Constitution as they feel it should have been written And every person who points out how badly the current constitution is failing, just feeds into that argument, and America comes all that closer to ensuring a Vance victory.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I don't like your Mike Pence interpretation of "You have no freedom from religion".

I predict, that soon the Republicans will use the turmoil over the existing Constitution, seeing as the existing Constitution is failing so badly, as a reason to completely rewrite the Constitution as they feel it should have been written

A constitutional convention (of states) is a helpful path to getting mass secession. Changing the constitution is harder than just ignoring it, and daring the courts to use their armies to do anything about it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

Like it or not, that was how the original Constitution was written, and enforced. An Oath to God was required, and Human law was not to encroach upon God's law. What was Caesar's, was Caesar's, and what was God's, was God's.

The South had absolutely no initial problem with changing the 'Constitution' unilaterally. A new Federal union, a new Constitution. I am talking about the complete collapse of the existing Union and building a complete new one from scratch, not a constitutional convention. Like GM going bankrupt, and then restructuring, nothing about the governance carries over except the name and the physical plant. A complete change in ownership and governance.

Incidentally, that is how South Asia is turning America into a branch plant operation - they are buying up the asserts (including the name and branding) of the large (and small) American corporations, and restructuring them into Asian controlled corporations. Trump is just accelerating the process. An American corporation that manufactures all (or most) of their product in Asia and imports it, goes under because they can not bring their own product in from Asia cheaply, so they go bankrupt and Asia buys the assets. That's why China will not bother to negotiate trade with Trump. They now realize his tariffs are exactly what their long range plans need. The longer they go on for, the cheaper it will be for them to 'Buy America'. The GE Appliance Division, for example. Bought by Haier, product made in America, profits go back to China.