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since almost everybody I encounter here agrees that Javascript sucks, What should I learn to make good "web apps" with good performance ? (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 2 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Here sucks is in the sense of suckless philosophy, I don't think everybody likes the suckless movement but I've seen that many people, me included, don't like how modern web apps look like (messenger and tiktok are like the worst). So if I want to make interactive web apps, what are the better technologies to not make the web shittier ?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

I'd say it's the tooling that sucks more than anything. I've had installations fail because of bad caches (and resolved it by doing things NPM advised me not to do), installations that take forever and seem stuck on one dependency, conflicts with ES and Common modules, node_modules folders that dwarf other folders in size, nobody makes proper use of devDependencies, some odd dependencies on Java or Python, and so on. I think the ease of learning JS has done it a disservice as you get millions of devs contributing but not all are trained as devs or computer scientists and you get a flood of libraries that all do the same thing and often even reproduce built-in functionality.

I really do enjoy coding in it more than any other language but when it comes time to run or build is when my rage kicks in.

Wait... what were we talking about? Oh, yeah.

Shitty web apps aren't really the fault of the underlying tech. This is a problem of design and I don't think the programming language really has much of an effect on the usability.