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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I see, so its the anti genocide/"basic human rights arent negotiable" side thats at fault for the US falling apart?

I see, so it's the anti-fascist/"basic human rights apply in our country too" side who are at fault for the genocide of Palestinians? 🙄

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

So your "fighting fascists" fight is simply to vote for one of their manufactured war crimes choices both of which demanded you personally be accountable for assisting in murder?

Fascism lite is still fascism. Killing fewer people is still killing, and its wildly illegal and immoral, full stop.

Harris's platform was wildly illegal and immoral. So was trumps. I'm not about to be nagged or threatened into giving my vote to either of those camps.

If that means the country burns itself down then thats fine, we just get a chance to get to the endgame faster where we build it back up to something better. There was nothing down the road of siding with Harris except more zionist puppeteering, and training you all to be nazi prison guards while you deal with the cognitive dissonance of Harris continuing the genocide after you had a hand in getting her in office.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Every month from becoming the nominee until the election Harris campaigned on a cease fire, hostage release, and a two state solution.

These are not "wildly illegal" or genocidal statements. You just refused to see it. Now we have Trump who wants to clear everyone from Gaza for hotels and golf courses. Good jorb!

July: https://www.the-independent.com/tv/news/kamala-harris-says-two-state-solution-is-the-only-path-after-meeting-with-netanyahu-b2586161.html

August: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/gaza-israel-harris-convention-speech/index.html

September: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-harris-says-two-state-solution-end-of-israel-hamas-war-is-crucial

October: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/harris-dodges-direct-question-on-palestinian-deaths-calls-for-2-state-solution-during-cnn-town-hall/3372480

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Actions speak louder than words.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

As a Presidential Candidate, legally, she could take no actions unless she won the election.

She told you, REPEATEDLY, what she would do:

Cease fire, hostage release, two state solution.

You call that "genocide".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Jordan, No one believed her and they had ample reason to doubt her honesty in this regard. She was not some sort of secret human rights advocate. Her husband is a zionist, and she chose her husbands brother in law to be her campaign manager, who is also a zionist. Joe Biden also claimed he was working around the clock on Palestinians behalf. Do you or anyone else beleive him? But we are supposed to give Harris the benefit of the doubt when she makes the same play? Please.

This campaign lost support across every demographic -- some in a big way-- except for a single bump of 1 point in college aged white males. And now the "new" leader of the DNC put up an uber centrist zionist to rebut Trumps latest big speech. Nothing has changed, and Harris was never going to push against the zionist domination in the DNC. She was not the chosen one you think she was.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Whether you BELIEVE her or not is irrelevant. Her stated policy was NOT in support of genocide, on the record, repeatedly.

You can't blame someone for supporting a genocide when they repeatedly tell you they aren't.

"Well, I don't believe you." Yeah and people don't believe we landed on the moon either. That's a problem with the thought process, not the person making the statement.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And Joe Bidens stated policy was not in support of genocide either, was it. Because the laws dont care if a candidate supports it or not, its explicitly illegal. Biden got around that by claiming no genocide was occurring.

Harris also said she couldnt think of anything she'd change from Bidens policies.

And then when asked what about the genocide at a rally she said she believes in the protestors right to speak and said the war is real, but didnt say the genocide was. And then when asked again she said "I'm talking" and shut the person down. Sh always responded with a template which starts with, "I beleive Israel has a right to defend itself" and then she never said if a genocide was occurring, linking every abuse to "defense", right out of the zionist marketing playbook.

This is your promise of action, huh. This is your proof she was going to do stuff different?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

Biden also was calling for a cease fire, and a hostage release, not genocide. Again, that was Trump and his "finish it fast" statements.

March, 2024:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/21/us-calls-for-immediate-ceasefire-in-gaza-with-draft-un-resolution

We also know now, her campaign was being directly hamstrung by Biden as well:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5191087-harris-trump-biden-harris/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

So your anti-genocide "vote" of "not voting" was to be accellerationist and to maximize casualties? My vote means that I'm immoral and your inaction means you're some saint? Right. Gotcha.

EDIT: Just editing this to include your current message before you completely change the content of your comment, like you seem to be doing more now that you're losing your bullshit argument everywhere.

So your “fighting fascists” fight is simply to vote for one of their manufactured war crimes choices both of which demanded you personally be accountable for assisting in murder?

Fascism lite is still fascism. Killing fewer people is still killing, and its wildly illegal and immoral, full stop.

Harris’s platform was wildly illegal and immoral. So was trumps. I’m not about to be nagged or threatened into giving my vote to either of those camps.

If that means the country burns itself down then thats fine, we just get a chance to get to the endgame faster where we build it back up to something better. There was nothing down the road of siding with Harris except more zionist puppeteering, and training you all to be nazi prison guards while you deal with the cognitive dissonance of Harris continuing the genocide after you had a hand in getting her in office.

DOUBLE EDIT: I realize how stupid this conversation is. You're arguing about who we voted for in November and people are actively being black-bagged now. With Trump in office. While you're bitching that I voted for Harris. I'm going to just... block and move on. You're not worth engaging with, and I wish I didn't bother as much as I did.