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'No Possibility' of Gaza Cease-Fire, Biden Says as 500+ Former Staffers Demand One (www.commondreams.org)

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"As the president of the United States, you have power to change the course of history, and the responsibility to save lives right now," the staffers wrote.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m not even going to address your either blatant lie or severe historical amnesia about Democratic evangelism, despite the fact you are still proving my point by arguing that choosing Biden to Trump was the morally superior choice and that not voting for Biden ipso facto makes you a Trump supporter (which is morally inferior).

Morality sucks. It often leads people to the wrong conclusions. It's not about moral superiority. It's about stopping fascism and millions of deaths.

Is this the same Ukraine where he sends arms and money without demanding that said arms and money do not go towards Nazi regiments such as Azov? Supporting one fascist group which trains US-born fascists against another fascist group has prevented fascism from spreading?

The Azov Brigade has been denazified. The founders of the militia are now in their own political party which thankfully has won zero seats last I checked. Russian propaganda isn't credible information.

Are you sure that’s all he could do? So he’s powerless to protect us from Christofascists in power? We just have to wait it out?

I have read the constitution. Appointing Supreme Court justices is in fact all he can do in regards to the Supreme Court. The Republicans waited 50 years to take our freedoms away. Now we may very well have to spend 50 years voting to get them back. This is why elections matter.

Here is a transcript. You'll want article two, section two, paragraph two.

Is Biden’s “unwavering support” for Israel’s Right-wing and genocidal fascist Netanuayu not fascist-enabling? What then is the difference between being “wrong” by funding and arming Israel and continuing to defend them politically, and being a “fascist enabler”?

Biden doesn't support the fascist right wing of Israel. It's hard for any world leader to single out the political parties of another country. World leaders have little recourse but to interface with other world leaders. We are reaching a point where we are going to have to start denouncing countries for putting fascists in power. This of course goes against decades of foreign policy of sticking with your allies no matter what. But we are going to have to because fascist dictatorships are incentivized to betray democracies.

Yeah, the difference is you feel safer.

Right. Because I am. And so is everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Morality sucks. It often leads people to the wrong conclusions. It's not about moral superiority. It's about stopping fascism and millions of deaths.

I'll agree with you there, morality does suck. But you haven't stopped fascism by voting for Biden, you've supported it.

The Azov Brigade has been denazified.

Sure.

I have read the constitution. Appointing Supreme Court justices is in fact all he can do in regards to the Supreme Court. The Republicans waited 50 years to take our freedoms away. Now we may very well have to spend 50 years voting to get them back. This is why elections matter.

Here is a transcript. You'll want article two, section two, paragraph two.

Great, I've read it as well. So then how does Biden protect us from Christofascism when they literally already govern us for irrevocable life terms? How has fascism been prevented by voting for Biden? How are we not already in fascism which Biden and other Democrats have done nothing to prevent regardless of whether one voted for them or not? And you're delusional if you think fascists will respect these weak ass institutions, that did nothing to stop them in the first place, once they are magically defeated using the same institutions which they will either control or destroy. I agree that fascism taking over the US is an existential threat to the world, and Biden did nothing about it but tell us to wait longer and vote again. Your vote didn't stop fascism.

Biden doesn't support the fascist right wing of Israel. It's hard for any world leader to single out the political parties of another country. World leaders have little recourse but to interface with other world leaders. We are reaching a point where we are going to have to start denouncing countries for putting fascists in power. This of course goes against decades of foreign policy of sticking with your allies no matter what. But we are going to have to because fascist dictatorships are incentivized to betray democracies.

He's been a friend and suporter of Netanyahu for over 40 years, almost half a century; he has continued funding, arming, and militarily as well as politically defending Israel while they commit genocide, but somehow none of that doesn't make him a fascist supporter yet? Oh, but I didn't know he was forced to be friendly with fascists. He has little recourse but to deal with fascist genociders, what a shame. Yet he has full power to not recognize or deal with states like Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, and so on. Weird how that works. It's almost as if he wants to be on friendly terms with the far Right in Israel for some reason, but I guess I just don't understand the high levels of geopolitics.

Right. Because I am [safer]. And so is everyone else.

Yeah, those Palestinian children are much safer in the ground surrounded by their families. You have supported fascism, not everyone is safer because of it. Fascists are safer, though, there's that at least.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But you haven’t stopped fascism by voting for Biden, you’ve supported it.

By electing Biden we stopped the fascist takeover in America by another four years. By not voting for Biden, you helped Trump, a fascist.

Sure.

Yep. The truth is Russia lies.

Your vote didn’t stop fascism.

The fascists need to control all three branches of government to complete their take over. We are currently denying them the executive branch. By controlling the Senate as well, we retain the means to appoint judges at all levels of the federal government, not just the Supreme Court. Undoing the damage done by Trump, getting a liberal majority on the Supreme Court and fixing the flaws in our democracy that enabled the fascists in the first place could easily take decades. And during that time we are always going to be one election away from the fascists taking over all three branches of the federal government. We're going to be voting fascists out of office and preventing fascists from taking office for a while. I believe as long as people continue to tell each other about the danger these fascists present to us all then we will continue to beat them in elections.

He’s been a friend and suporter of Netanyahu for over 40 years, almost half a century; he has continued funding, arming, and militarily as well as politically defending Israel while they commit genocide, but somehow none of that doesn’t make him a fascist supporter yet? Oh, but I didn’t know he was forced to be friendly with fascists. He has little recourse but to deal with fascist genociders, what a shame. Yet he has full power to not recognize or deal with states like Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, and so on. Weird how that works. It’s almost as if he wants to be on friendly terms with the far Right in Israel for some reason, but I guess I just don’t understand the high levels of geopolitics

Right, the US has been supporting Israel for over 70 years. By your logic, everyone in America is a fascist. Rather than acknowledging the complexity of the Israel-Palestine conflict, you want it to be simple. Israel is bad so America is bad. Biden is American therefore he is bad. The fact that Jews were the victims of the holocaust and Biden wants to foster a country where they can live in peace is simply not a possible motivation as far as you're concerned. He must want to enable the far right extremists to commit genocide. I could go into detail about I how I think the state of Israel centered in the 'Holy Land' was a terrible mechanism to achieve lasting peace for anyone. Problem is we inherited a globe carved up by indifferent Europeans who had no idea what they were doing when they drew the maps. We can try to fix these problems or we can enjoy a position of moral superiority that comes with taking sides. I'm choosing the former.

Yeah, those Palestinian children are much safer in the ground surrounded by their families. You have supported fascism, not everyone is safer because of it. Fascists are safer, though, there’s that at least.

More Palestinian children would be dead if the fascists were in power under Trump. You ignoring that isn't making me look like a fascist.

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