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"L" because we know Labor creates all value.
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this post was submitted on 07 Sep 2023
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I'll just cut-and-paste from another comment:
"Human beings must necessarily cooperate and aid each other in order to survive. It’s how our species evolved. However, that doesn’t mean humans only ever aid each other, or even that they care about others except as a means to survive. Humans will cooperate when it’s beneficial and also stab their fellow humans in the back, step on them and exploit them when it’s beneficial. That’s why all we have are systems of elites and peasants, filled with squalor and death."
And yet never an absence of exploitation.
That humans in general, including fellow labourers, are what are reckless of the health and life of the labourer, not just "capital". You're deluding yourself by limiting your criticism to capital alone. Or even worse, deluding yourself by assigning blame to capital alone.
Ya, I already said you seem to be a misanthrope.
misanthrope mĭs′ən-thrōp″, mĭz′- noun
One who hates or mistrusts humankind.
A hater of mankind; one who harbors dislike or distrust of human character or motives in general.
A hater of mankind; a misanthropist.
And no exploitation is a 'differing level of exploitation' even if you don't want to understand that. Just like zero is a number.
You're claiming there have been human societies with an absence of exploitation? And you have sources to back up your claim?
Nothing will convince you because you are filled with hate for fellow humans, and you like being that way.
Do you realize you're building your personal echo chamber?
Please indicate the input that is so valuable that I am missing out on by disregarding the words of a misanthrope?
That perhaps one should consider non-utopian images of humans when discussing systems present in society.
I do not accept humans are static. Much research on human societies shows that behavior and culture are founded in material conditions and environment. These can change, as they have throughout human history.
But you don't want to think about any of the realities.
What is that even supposed to mean? Like yes, people have always existend in an environment centered around material resources. Food being a material resource, for example.
I assume that by "any of the realities" you mean "other perspectives" or "other ideologies" here.
I do want to think about other perspectives and ideologies.
But I also allow myself to criticize them.
I especially allow myself to criticize people who try to prevent others from telling their perspectives, for example by calling them a misanthrope in a demeaning manner.
No investigation, you have nothing valuable to input. Simple as.
Marxism is a non-utopian world view. We just don't tolerate misanthropes who think human nature is real, or locked in a static state free from material conditions
LOL
QED
You keep telling yourself that.