this post was submitted on 11 Mar 2025
542 points (99.8% liked)

politics

21724 readers
3621 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure if you know this, but the left looks the same as the right. And as Canadians. If you think they will be able to find all of us, let alone kidnap and kill us all, you're sorely mistaken. People can perform partisan actions and disappear into mist. Sure they find sole actors now after a while and a lot of concerted effort, but now imagine there are a few hundred of those events all over the country? If you think they would win or even be able to fight a true guerilla war on American soil, you're delusional. Even with the brown shirts who would be willing to help, you'd have just as many that refuse and possibly switch sides.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I am not familiar enough with Canadian surveillance to have an opinion there which is why I specifically did not mention that side. I also fully agree they will have a lot more civilian support (again, the part people forget about when masturbating over the idea of shooting someone with a gun) which would mean any actions would be closer to "wipe out the neighborhood" than rolling up because some white lady submitted a tip.

But once even the Canadian special forces (who are god damned terrifying) cross over to the US side? All the same surveillance is against them. Quick border strikes will likely work as they'll be back on the Canadian side fairly quickly. Any deeper attack involves navigating US streets which involves navigating US camera systems. And it is pretty trivial to automate the tracking of the group who shot up a military base until they "disappear" into the forest on the side of the interstate... and then wait with cameras in any place they are likely to return (while sending drones to sweep the area).

With a LOT of time spent evading? Yeah, people who are sufficiently trained (so not the weekend warriors on the gun range... which is also much less of a thing in Canada because of sane-ish gun control laws) can spend significant amounts of time evading and even bivvying. But that then means the "reign of terror" operations become few and far between.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You are assuming that the surveillance systems will be uninterrupted/unaffected by this partisan activity rather than a main target of it. Once it's damaged, how easily do you think it will be repaired?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ah, so we are back to the idea of a mass coordinated uprising where everyone organizes via (let's be honest) reddit to simultaneously destroy the entire US infrastructure. Ah, that makes sense.

Because if you just pop every camera between your tent in the park and the Target you set on fire...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel like you are still making a lot of assumptions here. Say there are 5 unrelated people in a city who participate (pretty small numbers). No coordination or communication. There are limited targets within that city. If one does something and damages the surveillance, it will not be repaired instantly. Weeks likely. When this begins happening more frequently, that downtime will increase.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

... So now we are at the point of mass coordinated attacks where no coordination is involved but everyone magically hits different targets? All with the power of their AR-15 they bought at Walmart?

Also: This is America. People lose their shit if the wage slaves at starbucks shut down for the afternoon. All it takes is one terrorist/freedom fighter being made an example of to ensure people protect the status quo above all else.

Which gets back to the original point: People want to fantasize about shooting up the bad guys. The reality is that you need The People on your side. Which is why The Black Panthers (among others) focused so much on outreach that did not involve brandishing guns and making sure colt's profit margins were super high this quarter.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago

"mass coordinated"

Specifically said the exact opposite.

Uh-huh. Great debate.