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Oh look, picking on the little guy works. Justice is served!
Now go play with the big boys and arrest Putin, Netanyahu and ... Oh wait, justice doesn't work there! Only against the weak or the powerless.
Dude is the former president of a country of over a hundred million people and has murdered tens of thousands of people, some of them with his own hands.
You need to get a fucking grip if you think arresting him for his many crimes against humanity is "picking on the little guy"! 🤦
He was and did. Now he's not. Therefore, they only went after him now that he's weak and powerless to stop them.
Please go away with your bullshit as I'll go away with mine.
Pointless posturing...
Yeah, because waiting until it can be done without having to basically declare war on the Philippines is TOTALLY picking on a poor widdle defenseless boy!
I guess you were against the Nuremberg trials too? After all, those Nazis were no longer in power at that point and were thus "the little guy" 🙄
I'm against waiting. Everyone is waiting.
Patience is not my virtue.
Are you against dictators or their henchmen declaring war on the ICC and by extension the UN? Because that's what would have happened if they'd tried to arrest him at the height of his powers.
I don't disagree that Putin and Netanyahu need to be arrested too btw, but that's a separate issue from pretending that arresting a recent dictator for his many crimes against humanity is "picking on the little guy".
Oh my. The United Nations acting like a bunch of united nations and fighting against dictators commiting crimes against humanity and killing tens of thousands of people? How unthinkable!
Best instead to do nothing and let the dictators genocide in peace, destroy countries one by one and then maybe, just maybe have someone pick them up from their retirement home for a trial after everything is said and done.
How's that working out for Ukraine and other countries like it again?
You know what? Fuck this. You clearly don't know how ANYTHING works and don't WANT to know, so I'm not gonna waste any more time and effort on you.
Have the day you deserve.
Took me only two comments to realize this is just a troll.
Thank you. And you have a happy day to offset this small, but impactful interaction!
Only consider that how anything works and things should work can be two very different things. Don't get too used to how anything works in human interaction. We, the humans, still get to decide those as long as we're willing.
Kind of weird to oppose the many victims a taste of justice just because it takes place in South America and it happened 20 years ago. That's still reasonably within people's lifetimes and it does bring people closure in ways you can't imagine. I don't understand how that's posturing. Also, of course they're going after him when he's vulnerable. Do you really want the Interpol to march down to dictators' doors at the peak of their power? How would they do it? Although they do issue arrest warrants during their reign in case they carelessly waltz into the wrong territory.
The taste of justice is bitter and dusty, old and decayed. Those that want it should have it, but it tastes better when it's fresh.
Well, we do posthumous exonerations and such. People need closure regardless. I'm still wondering at what point does the Interpol intervenes and how.
I'd say the Interpol is a diverse organization adapting to the needs of the countries that comprise it. Likely they're more fluid in their interventions, depending on diplomatic relations and backdoor maneuvering. What they need to do and what they're allowed to do often doesn't match.
Hmm, I was imagining something more actionable and tangible than "be more fluid".
I feel like this is possibly part of the reason why it's only happening now.
I'd say the same. And i know they're not at fault, I'm just venting. Everyone does what they can, as little as that may seem at times.
Do you think the Philippine police should go to Russia and Israel to arrest Putin and Netantahu?
I don't understand what your complaint here is. It's up to the individual countries to enforce ICC arrest warrants. The Philippines chose to enforce it. That's a good thing. If your complaint is that other countries don't enforce it, then you should take that up with those countries, instead of crapping all over the Philippines for doing what those other countries don't have the courage to do.
My venting wasn't about Philippines. If you hate them that much, go complain somewhere else.
Back on topic, reading the other comments, it's looking more and more like a rival dictator got him done in. So this really ain't about courage, it looks more and more like getting rid of the competition.
I was clearly defending the actions of the Philippines.
The International Criminal Court does not operate on the orders of world leaders. So no, a rival dictator did not get an ICC warrant issued for Duterte. Maybe don't get your information from the comments section.
Dude, really? It's not about the warrant, come on.
It's like we're focusing on different subjects in a sentence and talking past each other. Probably why you felt like defending something that wasn't in question.
Oh, just a troll, got it.
The .world gives it away. These astroturfing bitches don't understand fedi has no patience for them.
Lol. You clearly know nothing about Philippine politics if you think this means nothing to us. You Westerners probably think of us as little people too yeah? You really only care about yourselves. Do human rights only matter if its your people?
Please book a flight to the Philippines and tell the grieving families that Duterte is nothing but a "little guy" and his crimes never mattered.
And if you think this is all just in the past, I bet you aren't even aware that his daughter is literally the vice president right now who's looking to run for president in 2028. Hmmm...
We're all little people. We all could do something about it, yet we don't. ICC? UN? Why the fuck do you need it to do your justice for you?
Fuck off with your bullshit. All of these are our own countries and yet we do nothing and need the UN to act? The blame is none but our own.
Once again. You don't understand Philippine politics. You should look at the list of people sitting in government right now and check their relations with the Duterte family. Did you not read the last sentence? Are you not aware of how many of his goons and cronies are in senate?
And they all just watched him being taken away. No war, no military response. Please, politics is politics regardless of the region in the world.
So you're also not aware that it was the PNP that arrested him? The government was notified of the warrant and simply complied. The current administration is split between two families of dictators (Marcos and Duterte) in case you didn't know.
It's only been hours since Duterte was arrested. Who knows what's going to happen?
I'm unaware of anything in this case other than it's ugly in every way.
Dude is awful, but why'd the ICC wait this long? Oh, you say he was given away on a silver platter!? Seems ICC didn't even do anything but receive him into custody...
Is my starting comment wrong? Guess it doesn't even matter at this point. The less people have of something, the more they're desperate to defend it. And justice is just too sparse these days...
Anyway, he deserves it. But I don't like how it's getting done. Personal preference probably...
Who knows? Investigation only started toward the end of his term. Duterte was in position until 2022 and even made the Philippines withdraw from the ICC sometime during his term. Since you don't know, his family has strained relationships lately with the Marcos family (another influential family that committed human rights abuses in the 1970s-80s). The current president happens to be Bongbong Marcos. The way some people see it, it looked like a golden opportunity for Marcos
I'm not here to praise the ICC -- they're very slow and I'm aware of their biases. Nor am I here to praise Marcos for cooperating with them so he can destabilize his political opponent. There's a lot of gray areas and it's really complex. The issue is very fresh. Nobody knows what's going to happen next. We can only speculate. It's a developing issue.
Anyway, please trust me when I say that Philippine politics is very complicated and messy. I believe it's true for many countries but as someone who was born in the Philippines as a Filipino and witnessed the Duterte term, I can say that I know my country more than anyone here on Lemmy. Saying things like he's "little people" and "weak" or "powerless" is completely wrong and offensive to those who suffered. Even while he's arrested, the Duterte family is still very powerful.
Honestly, if you had worded your first comment as a critique against the ICC for not doing enough and left out downplaying the crimes of Duterte, you wouldn't have offended so many people. I understand your frustration now, but I hope you understand mine too.
Perhaps I could've worded it better. It's not about Duterte in particular, but more about attacking only when those cannot defend themselves. The very action of bullying the weak and fearing the strong.
It's about us humans as a civilization adopting and accepting that only by trampling others when they're down can we espouse a higher morality.
We shy away from direct confrontation and we shy away from stopping it when it's happening. Even the so-called prevention is focused on demeaning and controlling the nameless, hapless citizen.
Duterte, Putin, Netanyahu and all the others could have been stopped and should have been stopped earlier. Yet they weren't and most still aren't.
And we call all of this as justice. It's embarrassing.
"Weak and powerless" Lol, that man is still influential in the Phillippines. And by no means poor. But okay, you can have a little extrajudicial killings of addicted people as a treat.
That's compared to you and me. But he was arrested, so all of that wealth and influence were worthless to him.
And extrajudicial or intrajudicial, killing is killing. I'd just wish the bodies in charge wouldn't be so picky about those they target for punishment.
That ratfucker casually dropped this: "Hitler massacred 3 million Jews. Now, there are 3 million drug addicts … I’d be happy to slaughter them."
He got off lightly.
Dude, seriously? You're berating them for only arresting the tyrannical ex-president of the Philippines who murdered tens of thousands on false pretenses – the "little guy" (emphasis on the scare quotes) – and not the leader of a global nuclear superpower and the leader of a regional nuclear power backed almost unconditionally by the country with the largest military on Earth – both of whom have active ICC arrest warrants? Are you drunk?
Yes I am.
Nobody, and I mean nobody, hates Filipinos more than @[email protected]. If it was up to him, they'd all be dead!
LMAO, what my dude?! WTF are you on?