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Zelensky: US citizens in Ukraine hotel struck by Russia (www.newsweek.com)

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A Russian missile strike hit a hotel in Kryvyi Rih, Ukraine, where U.S., U.K., and Ukrainian humanitarian volunteers were staying. They survived, but four others were killed, and over 30 were injured.

Zelensky condemned the attack and urged continued pressure on Russia. Meanwhile, Trump is pushing for peace talks, pausing U.S. military aid and intelligence sharing after a dispute with Zelensky.

Critics fear Russia now has leverage in negotiations, as Europe struggles to fill the gap left by reduced American support.

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[+] [email protected] -12 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Not really a false flag but I still place some blame on Zelenskyy.

Foreign mercenaries and instructors from NATO countries are often accommodated in hotels. In Krivoy Rog hotel facilities were being turned into deployment sites for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Last year, SBU actually arrested a man and said man was sentenced for 8 years because he stated that there were a lot of military personnel in the hotels of Kharkiv which was confirmed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Oh, sorry. Of course. It's not a false flag.
But it's zelenskys fault that Russia invaded, and that russia fired missiles on a civilian targe t.
Or, it's a military target? Without children and civilians? And no volunteer aid organisations staying there? Just purely military.
No, I presume there were military personnel sheltering there as well, amongst the children and foreign citizens.
There weren't military personnel there? No, there were. It was a command post!

Fuck off.

Russia attacked US citizens

[+] [email protected] -9 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

But it’s zelenskys fault that Russia invaded

Yes, he failed to implement Minsk II as he claimed he would during his election campaign.

Instead, Ukraine proceeded to implement new language laws which discriminated against the Russian language (going against the agreement), continued to imprison and torture political dissidents after the agreement was made as per Amnesty International which was also in violation of the Minsk Agreement which explicity stated that Ukraine was not allowed to imprison or punish people due to events related to the war in Donbas. Ukraine also refused to allow local elections in violation of the agreement.

"Ukraine insists that local elections can take place only after a complete ceasefire and withdrawal of all Russian troops and weapons.

Clear violation of the agreement as the entire agreement was Ukraine allows local elections, Russia withdraws then everyone’s happy. Russia can’t do its part if Ukraine doesn’t. The agreement specifically stated that elections come first and then withdrawal not the other way around. Ukraine clearly violated the agreement.

Or, it’s a military target? Without children and civilians?

Hiroshima was a military target but we both can agree that there were civilians there.

There weren’t military personnel there?

There indeed was, please check the guy at the last second of this video

Unless you want to argue that a humanitarian aid worker is equipped with camouflage, try again.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 24 minutes ago (1 children)

I looked up the Minsk agreement on Wikipedia.

The agreement failed to stop fighting.[5] At the start of January 2015, Russia sent another large batch of its regular military.[2] Following the Russian victory at Donetsk International Airport in defiance of the Protocol, Russia repeated its pattern of August 2014, invaded with fresh forces and attacked Ukrainian forces at Debaltseve, where Ukraine suffered a major defeat, and was forced to sign a Package of Measures for the Implementation of the Minsk Agreements, or Minsk II,[2]

dot dot dot

Amid rising tensions between Russia and Ukraine in early 2022, Russia officially recognised the DPR and LPR on 21 February 2022.[9] Following that decision, on 22 February 2022, Russian President Vladimir Putin declared that the Minsk agreements "no longer existed", and that Ukraine, not Russia, was to blame for their collapse.[10] Russia then launched a full invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, or skim reading it wrong. Seems like Russia forced an agreement, then called it invalid when Ukraine stuck to the terms.

https://ecfr.eu/article/ukraine-russia-and-the-minsk-agreements-a-post-mortem/

This convenient myth was finally dispelled in the period between 21 February 2022, when Putin recognised the independence of the so-called people’s republics of Donetsk and Luhansk, and 24 February 2022, when the full-scale invasion began. This was a radical clarification by Russia: in taking responsibility for its military action, violating Ukraine’s territorial integrity, and denying its neighbour’s sovereignty, Russia ceased acting according to the paradigm of frozen conflicts and shifted its goals – from the control of Ukraine’s political trajectory through local proxies to territorial appropriation and imperial restoration.

Yeh, so Russia wasn't happy. And instead of going "this isnt in the spirit of the agreement" decided to botch an invasion, and is now targeting civilian targets.

Jog on pal.
Shits way past "local elections".

Ukraine isn't targeting civilians.
Russia is.
Amongst other "fun" things.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

For balance, here are some Ukraine war crimes:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_of_Russian_soldiers_in_Mala_Rohan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_detention_centers_of_SBU
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado_Company_(Ukraine)

Seems sparce. I'm sure its western media bias. No doubt President Comrade Musk will buy Wikipedia and fix the inaccuracies in reporting.
Then, once we are all done denying facts, we can safely move on with our lives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 minutes ago* (last edited 43 seconds ago)

Seems like Russia forced an agreement, then called it invalid when Ukraine stuck to the terms.

What do you mean? The "agreement quickly broke down, with violations by both sides."

That doesn't sound like Ukraine sticking to the terms.

Russia claimed that the Minsk agreements did not apply to Debaltseve and Ukraine used similar arguments when launching their own operations into grey zones as you can see here:

“Yuriy Biriukov, an adviser to Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, says that almost the entire “grey” zone in Donbas, eastern Ukraine, has been liberated from Russian-led forces without breaching the Minsk peace agreements and is under control of the Ukrainian army.”

I mean Debaltseve continued on a little more after Minsk II in fact.

Zelenskyy refused to federalize the country despite Ukraine having the obligation to give eastern territories autonomy through federalizing the country because of the Minsk Agreements. Ukraine also had the obligation to uphold linguistic rights to ethnic minorities but violated the Minsk Agreements with the 2019 language law which didn’t outright ban the Russian language but did discriminate against those who did not speak Ukrainian or an EU language.

Yeh, so Russia wasn’t happy. And instead of going “this isnt in the spirit of the agreement” decided to botch an invasion, and is now targeting civilian targets.

You can claim that Ukraine not upholding the Minsk Agreements doesn't justify the 2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine, you'd be right but that doesn't mean that Zelenskyy's actions did not have a hand in starting it. Although personally, I see Russia's 2022 relatively nice peace terms to be proof that the current narrative is nonsense.