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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

At the cost of still having the factory farming the original article talks about. Animal agriculture's many problems are often worse in the US but don't pretend they don't exist elsewhere

Canada, however, remains the Western leader in hen confinement, with 83 percent of egg-laying hens still confined to battery cages as of last year [2021] – 27 percent in enriched cages, according to Mercy.

https://sentientmedia.org/enriched-versus-cage-free-eggs/

[In 2024] over 81% of Canada’s hens remain in “enriched” cages, which offer minimal improvements over traditional battery cages, restricting natural behaviours like wing flapping, perching, and dust bathing.

https://www.compassioninfoodbusiness.com/latest-news/our-news/2025/01/us-ahead-of-canada-in-cage-free-egg-transition

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Yeah, factory farming is still shit, but there is a structural difference with allowing farms to concentrate to the level that American farms do. When an infectious disease hits, you cull a far greater proportion of the population.

Supply management doesn't solve all ethical issues with eggs and dairy, but it is still a better system than unregulated free market capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Fortunately humans dont need to eat eggs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Humans don't need to eat eggs directly, but eggs are a primary ingredient in what many consider to be staples. The best breads I make all contain eggs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lol bread is stupid simple to use an egg replacer

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Correct, but what I'm saying is while people don't NEED to eat eggs, eggs and egg protiens are already in a MULTITUDE of staple foods.

You have to go out of your way to exclude egg.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Fortunately as the price of eggs goes up, the opposite becomes true.

Using egg replacer will become the norm. That will.make foods healthier, cheaper, and less damaging to the climate.

If you know a baker that's still using eggs, ask them to stop.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

Or they'll just raise prices, same as usual. Or both! LOL.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah, fortunately fuck off.

You wanna talk about the ethics of eating meat, do it in a thread that cares and wants to talk about it.

Like my fucking god, you realize that you are exactly the Republican, abstinence-only, sex educator; butting your head into a conversation about harm reduction right?

You think your pithy dumbass comment will suddenly convince everyone to be vegan? No? Well then guess what, it's not the clever solution you seem to think it is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My, what passion. Hope you saved some for matters unrelated to enslavement/consumption of the innocent/defenseless creatures.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Google what harm reduction is if you need to hear yourself type so badly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Amusing projection, but I was more keen on offering a moment you might pause and reflect on how you're spending your time. I wish more people had, when I was an omnivore.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If I wanted to have a conversation about the ethics of eating meet I would, and if you have a solution for suddenly convincing everyone to be vegan then that's great, do it.

Otherwise, don't muddy the waters with your irrelevant abstinence only moralizing during a harm reduction conversation.

I literally am vegetarian at the moment, Im just not a crusading idiot about it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I did not realize morals were a forbidden topic, or that replying to a comment was a privilege reserved for yourself and people you agree with. Mkay.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Bruh it's like people are having a conversation about how best to treat someone's STD and youre coming in saying sex is bad and you just shouldn't have sex.

You're not discussing the morals of the situation at hand, you're derailing the conversation to talk about your moral crusade instead.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Thread was about price of eggs. A comment said thankfully we don't have to eat eggs, which got you to a bizarre level of cross-eyed pissed. lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah, exactly, like saying "thankfully we don't have to have sex". It's naiive and ignorant of the actual world we live in, and not helpful to the conversation at hand.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago

Plant based diets are inevitable, if we are to continue existing as a species. S'ok tho, for they're delicious, healthier, and cruelty free. Isn't that nice?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And much of the world is heading that way - not away from it. Think of it only a US problem at your own peril

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The article is literally entirely about how Canada's supply management system prevents us from moving that direction.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The article also doesn't say they couldn't or wouldn't intensify operations any further. They talk about the state today, not down the line in the future

Going back to the original article's idea, People demaning lower prices tends to put pressure on them to do so whenever prices rise for any reason. Regardless of being diseases related

See also the UK who's historically claimed how they do things differently and now has over 1000 megafarms

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/18/uk-has-more-than-1000-livestock-mega-farms-investigation-reveals

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The article also doesn't say they couldn't or wouldn't intensify operations any further. They talk about the state today, not down the line in the future

Yes it does. It literally says that our supply management system is designed to spread out production across regions so that you can't ever have that many eggs produced in a single place.

If you're saying 'well maybe Canada will throw out it's supply management system and do something completely different' then sure, literally anything can happen in the future, that's not a meaningful point. The point is that Canada's supply management system prioritizes production being distributed over greater areas which inherently leads to smaller farms and helps to prevent the spread of disease, and is a better system than the American one of mass concentration and racing to the bottom.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

A supply chain management system is not the strong protection you might think it is. Factory farming has continued to consolidate with it in place. Especially with it being something that most all egg farms are not involved in to begin with

The number of chicken farms has declined 88 percent; while in the same period of time in the United States, the number of dairy farms dropped by 88 percent.[34][3] Supply-managed farms represent 8% to 13% of all farms in the country.[194]

[...]

Hall Findlay says that even with supply management, "[t]here has been more consolidation in dairy, poultry and eggs than in almost every other agricultural sector

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_and_poultry_supply_management_in_Canada#Policy