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I hate that "If you can't stop one specific genocide, you shouldn't stop any genocides" is unabashedly the point of view being put forward by abstainers and their apologists now that Trump is in office. Utterly abhorrent.
But you need to score those internet purity points, fuck people like me who'll be going to the camps, right?
Casting a vote for anyone in the last election wasn't going to halt any genocide.
That was the problem.
Fucking what.
You looking at the same Trump administration I'm looking at? Because the next four years have genocide on the domestic agenda.
Or is your argument that Harris would be 'just as bad'?
Yes, Harris said she had unwavering support for Israel, and would continue the Biden administration plans.
Do you know what 'domestic' means?
Oh, we just want to focus on domestic genocides then?
Bet.
Why did Biden push to increase spending for grants to local PD?
Tou know the cops that routinely kill Black and brown folks here?
Oh yeah, let's not forget how indigenous folks here are being relo'd still, and kept in ghettos.
Or, how Biden never shut down concentration camps on our southern border.
You're upset now, only because now white people are possibly in danger. We get to feel a taste of what non-white people experience daily in the US.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Go ask a Black person or an indigenous person if life was fash free for them, for the past 8, 12, 30 years...
Bruh, I ribbed that line from a grpup of indigenous friends lol
Cool, I applaud your whiteness in doing so. That's what we're here for, right? Performative leftism and suburban middle class white guilt, where you prove you're 'one of the good whites' by denigrating the lives of nonwhites who aren't special enough to catch your attention at any given moment?
If you're done celebrating the genocide of minorities in the US, because they're white minorities, and thus not 'real' people, like LGBT folk and the disabled, or too white to matter, like mixed-race folk, I guess we can wrap this conversation up.
So, did you just get scared on January 20th?
My queer self has been scared since 2006...
Im hardly "celebrating it"... I'm acknowledging that it actually happens here.
I got more terrified on January 20th (or rather, on November 6th), and anyone who didn't isn't paying attention.
Things are going to get worse for all of us. Oppression will intensify. Hard fought victories will evaporate. And genocide is very much on the menu for these fascist fucks. So I'll thank you to not cretinize over how it can't possibly get any worse than it was. It can. It will. And anyone who's been alive long enough to vote should know that it can very much be worse than it was for minorities in 20-fucking-24.
Buckle up. We're in for a ride, whether you realize that or not. Me, I'm going over suicide plans I thought I long had the license to cast aside; only now instead of mental illness driving me to consider them, it's "What to do if things go well and truly south considering the government we have in power and my position relative to it?"
Oh, you're 'acknowledging' it by downplaying developing events, cool. Like talking about how the SPD wasn't stopping the rampant antisemitism in Weimar Germany, so the oncoming Nazi genocide doesn't fucking matter. "It was always a genocide, now it's just more naked!" you'll cry, as they herd us into the literal fucking gas chambers.
They aren't herding me anywhere, without a fight.
That's why we arm ourselves, and train, and organize.
And it's been getting worse for everyone since like.... 1976 on so?
Like did you forget the preventable AIDS epidemic pushed by Reagan? The 1993 Crime Bill that tossed thousands or Black folk into prison? Crack cocaine introduced to our communities by the US government? Mass arrests of people protesting for racial justice? Gitmo? 1985 MOVE bombing? Indigenous Boarding Schools?
Spoken like a true warrior. /s
The reason why actual revolutionaries arm and train and organize is for the prospect of action striking back against the institutions of power. Not because it'll save any individual one of them. Fuck, being more likely to die is one of the first things revolutionaries against oppressive governments have to get through their heads. And heroic shootouts with the military for all the world to see are not how things usually go. You get black-fucking-bagged on your way back from the grocery store.
Jesus fucking Christ.
I don't even know what to say to this. Even a cursory knowledge of US history would show that, gruesome as that is, that's not even close to the worst it's been; that's not even the worst it's been in the second half of the 20th century alone. That you wrap things up with indigenous boarding schools, which had their death knell as a large-scale institution in the 70s and 80s, only heightens how bizarre this is.
Sigh. We fight for those on the left and right of us.
If it was just for me, then why would I suggest training, arming AND organizing?
Safety in numbers is a common delusion.
If it's not for you, why the fuck did you bring it up as part of "Well, they won't take ME without a fight!" macho posturing?
That's you, right there.
So, do you suggest going without a fight? Do you not understand how community defense works?
Jesus fucking Christ.
You want to cosplay the resistance, read up on how things actually went under the Nazi regime.
If you and your friends aren't just LARPing in the same fucking way that "COME AND TAKE THEM" right-wing chuds do when they stroke their barrels over the prospect of fighting off a tyrannical government? That's great. But if so, all of you should understand that you aren't gambling that you'll win your individual fight with the fascists - you're gambling, first of all, that there will be a fight. And if you're smart, you're hoping that there won't be one - because irregular forces have the greatest success when there isn't a direct confrontation.
The chances are pretty fucking slim that you're going to be manning the trenches on a frontline between Good and Evil. The chances are pretty fucking slim that any safehouse you have is going to last more than ten minutes once discovered by government drones. Most days, in actual asymmetric warfare, your primary concern is the government not noticing you. Because if they do notice you, that's fucking it. And the fewer scruples the oppressive government has, the less chance you'll have to fight back. If they notice you, the institution with disproportionate resources and full-time goons to sic on you, they're going to choose where, when, and how the confrontation goes down, and "Politely, in the daytime, clearly marked coming down the street while you're on guard duty at the safe house" is not fucking likely to be the result.
If they notice you, the chances of there being a fight is slim. If they notice you, chances are you'll be in line for the camps with the rest of us, and no amount of crowing about how they'd never take YOU without a fight will mean a goddamn fig, and nor will any number of your plans about how you and your buddies will heroically defend your community. So stow the macho bullshit.
Oh, you mean the Nazi regime where anarchists self-organized and fought the Nazis while everyone else was inviting the Nazis to the Olympics? Or the times that anarchists showed up to put a beat down on Nazis doing a dog and pony show at Madison Square?
That's not a gamble. We know a fight is coming. We just are unsure of when it will start. We're preparing for that.
We've been dealing with that for years already.... I mean, how do you think Anarchists ended up in prison in the US already?
We only need to be lucky once. They need to be lucky every single time.
It's hardly "macho bullshit"... But go on projecting. What's your plan, btw? Capitulate at the soonest chance?
Should have run a not dogshit candidate. The bar is in hell, it's not that hard
"Genocide for the filthy poors to punish the Dem party elites who made the campaign decisions and won't feel a thing. That'll show 'em!"
Fucking amazing.
As if the democrats care about the poors lmao.
Clearly you and your conception of the Democrats have something in common, then.
If my perception is correct, my vote wouldn't help the poor regardless. Think it through.
"The Dems don't care about the poor. Therefore, there's no difference between the Dems and the guy promising genocide in openly fascist terms."
There's a difference between a room at the 105F and 110F, sure. I agree.
You know what I haven't seen from you in any comments at all?
An ounce of compassion for all the brown and queer people facing a genocide in the U.S. right now.
Why is that?
It's a thread hand-wringing and vote shaming. Trump is a disgusting fascist. I'm angry there isn't opposition to him. I'm angry about how close democrats are to republicans.
As I said, I haven't seen an ounce of compassion from you for all the brown and queer people facing a genocide in the U.S. right now.
You couldn't even sum up a "I feel bad for them" after I pointed that out, so I guess that shows what and who you think should be ignored.
If you cared about queers and minorities, you would be demanding the opposition take popular positions in order to win, right?
I have literally had to flee the country with my gay daughter because of people like you, so don't give me any of that shit about me not caring when you still haven't been able to say anything about their suffering.
No, you theoretically have to flee because of the fascists that have taken power. The fascists are your enemy. I don't want them in power, I just recognize why they are now.
Theoretically? Again, I literally did it. On inauguration day.
You are not even reading my posts.
Also, in my eyes, there is no real difference between a fascist and someone who will stand uncaring as fascists oppress queer people.
You did flee. There aren't gay concentration camps and shit or executive orders targeting anyone just being gay (trans yes). Theoretically is on the 'need'
Do you know how many years it took from Hitler becoming chancellor to the Final Solution?
Seven.
Seven years.
Presumably you would have told any fleeing Jew or Roma or queer person when Hitler took power that the genocide was only theoretical, so they had no need to escape.
Quite the position of privilege you're in.
Says the person privileged enough to flee the country and also not be on the receiving end of a genocide. I am privileged, correct. Doesn't change the analysis.
It most certainly doesn't change my analysis that you have no compassion for queer and brown people facing a genocide since you still have expressed none for them, and now are implying that there isn't even a danger.
Oh we are absolutely doing 'the first solution', the 'Madagascar plan' for undocumented people right now. Ice is a modern day gestapo. We already are concentrating people in gitmo. I think concern for gay folk is a little overblown, right now. Trans people are obviously the next concern after migrants. These things are real and happening. It's fascist shit. I don't want this, I don't know why you're implying I don't care.
Because I've literally pointed out multiple times that you have shown no compassion for queer and brown people and what they are facing and you refuse to show any. Over and over, when given the opportunity, you showed that you could not give less of a shit about them.
Suddenly saying "I don't want this" is not compassion. This has nothing to do with what you want.
So I am doing more than implying you don't care. You've been given ample opportunity to show you care and have not taken it.
Do you care about Palestinians?
Yes. To the point that I have spent hours every week both trying my hardest to contact politicians on their behalf and finding Palestinians to talk to so that I can hear their problems and sympathize with them.
And you have just squandered yet another opportunity to show you care about queer or brown people. Even if you claimed you cared at this point, it's really obvious that you don't.
As if leftists care what happens to Palestinians lmao.
Cope harder please
The choice was status quo vs all the genocide and you couldn't even bring yourself to do the bare minimum.
You don't have the high ground you think you do.
Nah it's genocide and proto-fascist liberalism vs. genocide and full tilt fascism. If it wasn't this election cycle, it was going to happen regardless.