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Israel’s military has claimed it has encircled Gaza City and divided the besieged coastal strip into two, as Gaza came under its third total communications outage since the start of the war.

“Today, there is north Gaza and south Gaza,” Israeli army spokesman Daniel Hagari told reporters on Sunday, calling it a “significant stage” in Israel’s war against Hamas.

Israeli media reported that troops are expected to enter Gaza City within 48 hours. Strong explosions were seen in northern Gaza after nightfall.

But the “collapse in connectivity” across Gaza reported by internet access advocacy group NetBlocks.org and confirmed by the Palestinian telecom company Paltel made it even more complicated to convey details of the new stage of the military offensive.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Palestinian's under the PLO had a charter to completely reject any two state solution until 1994, and two state negotiations barely lasted a couple years before violence broke out again.

So no, the Palestinian Arabs do not, and have never wanted a two state solution.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So I won't actually respond to this moron, but if anybody else wants to know why what they're saying is completely wrong reply to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Because you're a moron, I see.

Palestinians want to control the land, and most want to expel the Jews. That has been the case since the founding of Israel. Sorry you're blind to that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yet the PLO was dissolved and replaces by the PA in accordance with the Camp David agreements, of course Israel conveniently forgot they existed, so for about 10 years the Palestinians tried to do the whole peaceful negotiation bit, and got jack shit, until a terror group backed by Bibi won the civil war in Gaza, putting an end to the negotiations entirely.

so I ask if the Palestinians when't interested in a two-state solution, where is the PLO?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The PA also did not want a two state solution, they wanted a one state solution that they controlled.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

what exactly are you talking about? are you just repeating stuff you heard that matches your notion of "all Muslims are evil and want to kill jews"?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

None of their negotiations gave Jews a right to the land. And Palestinians tried a total of 2 years of peaceful negotiations, not 10.

And no, not all Muslims are bad, but the leadership in Palestine and Israel have never wanted the other religion to exercise any control in the region, and pretending Palestinians are completely innocent is idiotic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ok, so first off, what exactly are you basing your "worked towards a two-state solution" on? because it definitely has nothing to do with any of the treaties or actions to radicalize said treaties by the Palestinian people.

And through your ignorance, purposeful or not, you straight up lie about the Palestinian government's attempts at a two-state solution, fucking Netanyahu literally supported Hamas to undermine the two state efforts of the PA, what you claim just doesn't match with any facts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The PA only made efforts at peace for about 2 years, I ma basing it on that. 2 years out of the 75 that Israel has existed has had Palestine make legitimate attempts at a 2 state solution, not just a delaying tactic until they start attacking again.

And Netanyahu is a shit-sack as well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

again, you repeat the 2 year number, what are you basing that on?

In addition, seeing how the Palestinians actually followed through with their side of these negotiations(e.g. Palestine radicalize their first step of the Oslo accords while Israel only upped the settlements and martial law in response), I think it's HIGHLY disingenuous to call it a delaying tactic, bordering on a bold faced lie. Further evidence that they actually are genuinely working towards a two-state solution is that the Israeli government supports Hamas to undermine these efforts.

Simply put, congrats, you are a bigot because you seem to ignore facts while painting all Palestinians with the same negative brush.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

After losing against Israel for nearly 50 years, even though Palestine and the Arab nations started the conflicts against them. After spending nearly 50 years breaking ceasefires after Israel granted Palestine land back. Only after that did Palestine try and negotiate for peace, and their demands were that Israel give up a ton of land, and they Palestine super pinky swore they wouldn't start attacking from it again like they did for the previous 50 years.

Bad deal for Israel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

technically Israel started the first war, this is what lead to the Suez crisis of the early Cold War.

the Palestinian position was that everyone go back to their own borders, tho if you consider all the territory legally gained via annexation (that Israel did, hence why they built permanent settlements in the Sinai Peninsula, and continue to build settlements) it may seem like they are having to "give up land" in the same way that Russia sees returning Crimea and the Donbas to Ukraine as "giving up a ton of land".

Tho one would say that if it wasn't for western aid to Ukraine it would have been a "good deal" for Russia to invade Ukraine, so are you on the Russian side of this conflict?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No Israel didn't, the Arab coalition invaded the day Israel was created. The Arabs started the war.

And the Palestinian position was it's all Palestine, Israel has to go.

And Israel took land after it was attacked by Palestine and the Arab league, Russia attacked first. So no, that's an idiotic false equivalence.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you mean the civil war that was the Palestinians wanting freedom from the israeli-british colonial forces?

or maybe the 1948 israeli-arab war? the one that the Israeli government rejected non-violent solutions proposed by outside parties, such as Truman? Instead, growing their militia forces with the aid of the brits. also known as the thing that ended in an ethnic cleansing of Arabs out of "rightful Israeli land"

or maybe you mean the war of 1956 where in an attempt to colonialize Northern Africa a join Israeli-British-French operation was launched to take control of the Suez Canal? (and failed spectacularly because both the US and Soviets opposed this)

or maybe you mean the war of 1967 where Israel publically stated they were preemptively attacking their neighbors, destroyed the entire grounded Egyptian air force in a few short hours and proceeded to annex the Gaza Strip, Sinai Peninsula, Golan, and the west bank?

but hey in 1973 we finally get to an actual defensive war on Israels part.

this is what happens when you let theocratic nationalists make their own nation with backing from the brits.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The Palestinians who have never had a state, and most of whome only arrivesd in that land following the fall of the Ottoman empire at the end of WW1.

Land that was controlled by various Empires through history and is no ones homeland. And if you argue it's Palestine's homeland, then you have to acknowledge they stole it form others, including the original Jews.

The 1948 Arab Israeli war started by the Arab nations when they immediately invaded Israel following the end of the British mandate.

And 1967 was also started by Arabic military buildup.

The Arabs went in with a policy of drive the Jews into the sea, and followed on it for 50 years.