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thank you for providing an example of dialogue that's detached from reality
so you are not a vanguardist?
or am I wrong about vanguardism being bad?
please elaborate
It's detached from reality because you're just randomly chucking in some political terms you learned on reddit under an unrelated comment thinking it's some kind of slam-dunk.
no, I know what a vanguard party is and that I don't support it, now we're arguing about why I don't support it
You are wrong about vanguarism being bad because history clear shows that it is the most reliable method for actually combating capitalism. Anarchists refuse to accept this basic reality and continue advocating approaches that have failed time and again for over a century now. It's quite telling that this ideology exists primarily in the western imperial core.
no, I just think that freedom is more important than defeating capitalism
I'd rather take my hrt, guns and free speech over a vanguard, sorry
also see how it has worked in russia, how the soviet union has defeated capitalism and how capitalist western germany was almost economically stronger than the entire ussr (including eastern germany)
So, what you're actually saying you'd rather live under capitalism because it's not impacting your freedom, and you don't care about others. Meanwhile, claiming that western Germany was economically stronger than the USSR is another example of you being divorced from reality. It's the same sort of logic people applied to modern Russia comparing its GDP to Italy. Now, it turns out Russian industrial production is higher than all of the west combined. This is how capitalism rots people brains, they start thinking imaginary numbers are more important than material reality.
> So, what you're actually saying you'd rather live under capitalism because it's not impacting your freedom
that's wrong, I belive that I have more freedom in (unregulated) capitalism that's not state backed, than in a one party system without democratic principles
> and you don't care about others.
that's not true, I want others to be as free as I am
> Meanwhile, claiming that western Germany was economically stronger than the USSR is another example of you being divorced from reality.
you're literally making this up, I sayed that western germany was ALMOST as economicaly strong as the entire ussr, which is true
> It's the same sort of logic people applied to modern Russia comparing its GDP to Italy. Now, it turns out Russian industrial production is higher than all of the west combined.
first source I found: https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Russia/United-States/Industry
this says something completely different
> This is how capitalism rots people brains, they start thinking imaginary numbers are more important than material reality.
so at first: you were wrong, but you also were double wrong, because even if russia did produce more than the US there's still the question of what to be made and for whom, russia probably produces more war assets rn, and that isn't necessarily a good thing, since they now can produce less of stuff the people actually need (that statement itself wouldn't be true if the russian economy was growing and they were exporting their war assets, but the opposite is the case, they produce the war assets to burn them on the battlefield and their economy also isn't looking good)
I think drawing a line between a vague notion of "freedom" and what existed in AES without doing any of the work to back that up makes little sense. Further, I think trying to say Western Germany, which was highly developed and already one of the most Imperialist countries on the planet at the turn of the 20th century was stronger economically than the USSR, which started the 20th century as a mostly undeveloped agrarian society just beginning Capitalism, is ridiculous.
That's like comparing someone who worked daily for what they accomplished for themselves with the Trust Fund kid who got a job at his father's investment firm.
Moreover, the USSR had constant and stable economic growth for its entire existence, and one of the highest rates of growth on the planet, while doing 80% of the combat in WWII and providing free education, healthcare, retirement, doubling life expectancies, and more.
Typical westerner living off the people of the global south's labor
Of course you dont want change with your fuck you got mine attitude
lol, china does the same imperialist shit in africa that the west does
Chinese investment in Africa has had βSignificant And Persistently Positiveβ long-term effects https://www.eurasiareview.com/01022021-chinese-investment-in-africa-has-had-significant-and-persistently-positive-long-term-effects-despite-controversy/
here, read the chapter criticism and tell me everything I'm wrong about https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-African_relations
Cope
how's that a cope? I'm against the US and china
"Neither washington nor beijing, but washington"
that's because you're an ignoramus
ok, why did I expect an actual argunent?
Not at all correct. China doesn't use debt traps, nor does it focus on exporting Capital in order to produce outside its country lines at lower wages. Rather, it's the opposite, China frequently forgives loans (usually made through State entities and not private corporations and banks) and focuses on commodity exports. To say that China does the "same Imperialism" is factually wrong. There's much that can be correctly criticized about the PRC, but to put it on equal footing with the West with respect to whether it is ultimately playing a predatory or beneficial role is divorced from reality.